Topic: Class A B C?
I've noticed that some cars have little Lemons stickers on them containing letters in A B or C.
What does that mean, and why do only some the cars have them?
Thanks
Robert
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I've noticed that some cars have little Lemons stickers on them containing letters in A B or C.
What does that mean, and why do only some the cars have them?
Thanks
Robert
Not sure what the stickers are, but here on the West Coast the BS judges determine the "class" of the car during BS inspection and they write this on the tech form. This is used for determining the class placing / finish / awards -- typically The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
Never seen one of these stickers. Do you have any pictures?
My car has an 'B' sticker on the window at the moment. It is from a Hooked on Driving track day. I was in the 'B' run group at a recent track day. Perhaps some stickers are leftover from something like that. I'm not aware of Lemons using such things.
Lemons is indeed using class stickers. This is from today's race.
Hmmm... that's new.
Good, Bad, and Ugly are A/B/C on the tech forms. I imagine that these stickers are to let teams and/or other competitors whom they are really racing.
Class A have a good chance of winning
Class B have a good chance of finishing
Class C have a reasonable chance of getting to the green flag
Our first Lemons race in 08, the classes were SW (should win), CW (could win), and NPW (No Prayer of Winning).
Our first Lemons race in 08, the classes were SW (should win), CW (could win), and NPW (No Prayer of Winning).
I thought it was "PW (Prayer of Winning)", "PF (Prayer of Finishing)", and "NP[W/F] (No Prayer of Winning/Finishing)"
Never seen one of these stickers. Do you have any pictures?
I got the feeling that the stickers were something that Phil came up with and had done for this race, as Jay seemed to not exactly know what was going on with them at the start of tech. But it was kind of cool to see the cars with the stickers on the back of them as you go around the track. And frustrating when my crappy driving in a "B" car couldn't set up and complete a "C" class car.
As always, it's the archer, not the arrow...
If you had an E30 or a Miata your were deemed a cheating bastard and given an A sticker......
If I had known that cheating at school got me an A.....I would have gotten a lot less D's!!!
We were an "A" car and we didn't finish the race.
We didn't even finish the first day.
Of course we were doing pretty well until the motor started making very loud noises.
You can't overheat an old L-series straight 6 without consequences.
wrappedinbacon wrote:Never seen one of these stickers. Do you have any pictures?
I got the feeling that the stickers were something that Phil came up with and had done for this race, as Jay seemed to not exactly know what was going on with them at the start of tech. But it was kind of cool to see the cars with the stickers on the back of them as you go around the track. And frustrating when my crappy driving in a "B" car couldn't set up and complete a "C" class car.
As always, it's the archer, not the arrow...
Phil put an "A" on mine for being a cheating-ass Integra. I asked if he even looked at the car...
Long about noonish Sunday, when it still hadn't seen the track, Jay said maybe we should change it to class "C".
Hmmm... I kind of like it! I wonder if this will be applied to all races from here on out or if this is only for the one race.
(Sigh)
A "C" for me. It's like 1st grade all over again...
Lemons has had three classes for years now. Win your class, win a trophy. Since nobody seemed to know this (in spite of the class trophies given out at every awards ceremony), Judge Scott was kind enough to print up some class stickers for us, and we slapped them on during the BS Inspection.
How do we determine your car's class? We could use a thick-ass rule book and agonize over it for hours, or we could eyeball the car for 7 seconds and then decide. Guess which method we use?
Generally, all E30s and Miatas get Class A (aka Class 1 aka Class Good), along with non-sucky Integras, late-model Civics/Integras, RX-7s, and the like. We might put exceptionally nice Golfs, Mustangs, 944s, Neons, Escorts, etc in A as well. Class B (aka Class 2 aka Class Bad) gets the entries that tend to be fast/unreliable or slow/reliable, as well as extremely terrible E30s, crazy engine swaps that might hold together, and so on.
Class C (aka Class 3 aka Class Ugly) is actually our favorite class, and we tend to agonize the most when deciding between B and C for a car. If you're not in Class C, you probably have no realistic shot at the Index Of Effluency, and the battle for Class C tends to be very exciting at every race (pay attention to the Cs at your next race and you'll see that the struggle usually comes down to the last couple of laps). Nearly all British cars make it into Class C, along with really old cars, GM luxo-barges, Festivas, Rabbit Diesels, Peugeots, GM X bodies, Chrysler K cars, etc.
Thanks for the info.
Even though we where unfortunate enouph to be stuck in class A, it was cool seeing the stickers out on the track.
Lemons has had three classes for years now. Win your class, win a trophy. Since nobody seemed to know this (in spite of the class trophies given out at every awards ceremony), Judge Scott was kind enough to print up some class stickers for us, and we slapped them on during the BS Inspection.
How do we determine your car's class? We could use a thick-ass rule book and agonize over it for hours, or we could eyeball the car for 7 seconds and then decide. Guess which method we use?
Generally, all E30s and Miatas get Class A (aka Class 1 aka Class Good), along with non-sucky Integras, late-model Civics/Integras, RX-7s, and the like. We might put exceptionally nice Golfs, Mustangs, 944s, Neons, Escorts, etc in A as well. Class B (aka Class 2 aka Class Bad) gets the entries that tend to be fast/unreliable or slow/reliable, as well as extremely terrible E30s, crazy engine swaps that might hold together, and so on.
Class C (aka Class 3 aka Class Ugly) is actually our favorite class, and we tend to agonize the most when deciding between B and C for a car. If you're not in Class C, you probably have no realistic shot at the Index Of Effluency, and the battle for Class C tends to be very exciting at every race (pay attention to the Cs at your next race and you'll see that the struggle usually comes down to the last couple of laps). Nearly all British cars make it into Class C, along with really old cars, GM luxo-barges, Festivas, Rabbit Diesels, Peugeots, GM X bodies, Chrysler K cars, etc.
And THIS is why we were excited when we were 'demoted' to class B. We'll never make class C. But at least we're not racing a good car. 'Good' cars are for those who aren't trying. (Or the clueless. Clueless folks try, but don't know how hopeless it is. Everyone gets a pass for the first race.)
Personally I would like to get A for my car. The car definitely doesn't deserve an to be in A. Realistically it is probably in gray area of B and C. But I feel the car is a bit self conscious and by getting it in the A group would be having someone declare it as a Good Car which would help its confidence and make it feel a bit better about itself.
I thought the class stickers are a great idea. I think they got some of the faster car to think about not dive bombing into a corner on the c car and to wait for the straight. Where they knew they could easily walk away. Or atleast that it the way it seemed from in the truck.
I thought the class stickers are a great idea. I think they got some of the faster car to think about not dive bombing into a corner on the c car and to wait for the straight. Where they knew they could easily walk away. Or atleast that it the way it seemed from in the truck.
We were hoping that the class stickers would cut down on the hairball driving. Of course, if an A gets passed by a B or C, that'll probably add hairballness as the A tries to catch up.
I thought the class stickers are a great idea. I think they got some of the faster car to think about not dive bombing into a corner on the c car and to wait for the straight. Where they knew they could easily walk away. Or atleast that it the way it seemed from in the truck.
it's at least a 14hr race...should you be dive bombing any car, class a, b, c or z?
Of course, if an A gets passed by a B or C, that'll probably add hairballness as the A tries to catch up.
Did that to me!
cc 76 wrote:I thought the class stickers are a great idea. I think they got some of the faster car to think about not dive bombing into a corner on the c car and to wait for the straight. Where they knew they could easily walk away. Or atleast that it the way it seemed from in the truck.
it's at least a 14hr race...should you be dive bombing any car, class a, b, c or z?
Clearly there is no need to dive bomb in a corner in 14 hour race.
However there are countless clips on you tube that show it happens.
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