Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

i heard the cut through is in pretty bad shape, so unless they decide it's good enough to race on, i don't see any way to shorten the course.  2 miles is not outrageously long, esp w/ 100+ cars moving along at a pretty good clip.  there will probably be some sort of backstretch chicane to keep speeds sane...whether that is still "too fast" for your particular crapcan is something only you know.  i'd submit that there is no such thing.  wink

mike - Schumacher Taxi Service
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"Winner" - We Got Screwed, NJMP '11

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

I guess there's one way to find out.

Everybody grab your brooms, it's shenanigans!

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

d'oh.  i'm an idiot.  thought i was repsonding to a NL thread.

we didn't run the whole CMP course in the spring, and there was plenty of room.  even on the "shortened" course (w/out chicane this year, thank god), plenty of cars were close to triple digits at the end of the front straight.  the short course's front stright is not hugely smaller that the full course's.  they do slow down the backstraight, however, by choosing the slower set of turns going in.

mike - Schumacher Taxi Service
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"Winner" - We Got Screwed, NJMP '11

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

While I would LOVE to run the full course at CMP, I can see the logistical problems with doing so for this type of event.  If a car was disabled anywhere on the back half of the course ,it would take the wrecker a lot longer to get there and back.  On the short course they can cut right across the grass, but on the back portion it's totally wooded.

As long as there is no chicane, I will try not to complain.

Captain
Team Super Westerfield Bros.
'93 Acura Integra - No VTEC Yo!

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

They use the old 12-13 configuration? I've only run it on the newer configuration. That might slow it down quite a bit.

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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

rmcdaniels wrote:

They use the old 12-13 configuration? I've only run it on the newer configuration. That might slow it down quite a bit.

This (below) is the config they used in 2008.  In 2009 they did not use the mickey mouse chicane (THANKFULLY) and I don't believe there were any complaints or problems with it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRPI_U3M … annel_page

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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

rmcdaniels wrote:

They use the old 12-13 configuration? I've only run it on the newer configuration. That might slow it down quite a bit.

Yes, they use the old 12-13 configuration, though i like the new one a LOT better myself.

Captain
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'93 Acura Integra - No VTEC Yo!

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Yeah, the chicane needs to remain a blurry vision in the past.  Although I was not lucky enough to experience said chicane, I would have hated it just as much if I had.  It has been said before, when the Lemons come to the south, the cars get more racey and drivers become more experienced.  We can handle whatever they dish out, as long as it does not involve a chicane.  Have I mentioned that I hate chicanes?

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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

i think they realized it was safer (and more fun) without the chicane.

mike - Schumacher Taxi Service
12+-time loser
"Winner" - We Got Screwed, NJMP '11

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Thanks for the video; that traffic jam in front of the chicane looked like a nightmare.

Everybody grab your brooms, it's shenanigans!

61

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Unfortunately we will have chicane(s) at Nelson ledges.  That will contribute mightily to brake wear and ill will...

Jer / Schumacher Taxi Service
2010 Spring CMP I.O.E. winner
2010 Sebring overall winner
1996 Miata, 1991 BMW E30, 1987 coROLLa (retired), 1984 Citation (retired), 1993 Miata (retired)

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

hopefully it's not a tight one.  it's not that hard to make a flowing chicane that requires slowing /lifting but not stopping in traffic a la CMP '08.

mike - Schumacher Taxi Service
12+-time loser
"Winner" - We Got Screwed, NJMP '11

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Buzz Killington wrote:

hopefully it's not a tight one.  it's not that hard to make a flowing chicane that requires slowing /lifting but not stopping in traffic a la CMP '08.

+1 !!!

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64 (edited by Speedycop 2009-08-06 03:22 PM)

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Having studied the 2008 chicaned youtube vids extensively, I hope the chicane-free trend continues. There was no chicane and no problems at South Spring, or at Stafford this year.

Captain: Speedycop & The Gang Of Outlaws -'94 Mark VIII (Least Horrible Yank Tank Stafford '09, NOLA '10) '61 Caddy (Org Choice-NL '09) '63 Tbird (EPIC Repair Failure-Gingerman '10, I Got Screwed-Summit Pt '10, I.O.E. WINNER Stafford '10!) '77 Lancia Scorpion (I.O.E. WINNER Joliet 2010!) '67 Galaxie 500 (Judges Choice-CMP '11)
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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

I just FINALLY started uploaded 2009 CMP videos...  For those who were not there, this is what the track was like without the chicane compared to the video above with the chicane. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBV3P_3Yo4A

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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Nice vid, Taj. Seemed like you guys were driving courteously and weren't pushing the car too hard, which is probably why you finished 13th, instead of breaking or sitting out on penalties. It was our first Lemons event, so we lost two hours in penalties. Lesson learned: drive clean, stay on track, avoid any contact possible, and you can finish near the top with a slower car, like you did in South Spring, and we did in Stafford.
See you in a few weeks. I look forward to racing you guys again!

Captain: Speedycop & The Gang Of Outlaws -'94 Mark VIII (Least Horrible Yank Tank Stafford '09, NOLA '10) '61 Caddy (Org Choice-NL '09) '63 Tbird (EPIC Repair Failure-Gingerman '10, I Got Screwed-Summit Pt '10, I.O.E. WINNER Stafford '10!) '77 Lancia Scorpion (I.O.E. WINNER Joliet 2010!) '67 Galaxie 500 (Judges Choice-CMP '11)
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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Thanks Speedy.  That was our gameplan really.  Let the faster cars by easily, don't push the car too hard and get to the finish.  We are learning and sorting out the car slowly and are getting a little faster each time we take it out.  This time, LOOK OUT!
(Plus teams that don't stand out as 'aggressive' are less likely to be crushed!  smile  )

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68 (edited by Speedycop 2009-08-16 10:45 AM)

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

We had ONE vote for our car to be crushed at CMP, but Jay said the team that did it wrote some very unflattering things on the ballot. We got a good laugh out of it...

Captain: Speedycop & The Gang Of Outlaws -'94 Mark VIII (Least Horrible Yank Tank Stafford '09, NOLA '10) '61 Caddy (Org Choice-NL '09) '63 Tbird (EPIC Repair Failure-Gingerman '10, I Got Screwed-Summit Pt '10, I.O.E. WINNER Stafford '10!) '77 Lancia Scorpion (I.O.E. WINNER Joliet 2010!) '67 Galaxie 500 (Judges Choice-CMP '11)
Future Fleet: 1957 Ford Prefect 1942 Buick 1959 Bugeye Project GLCOAT

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Speedycop wrote:

We had ONE vote for our car to be crushed at CMP, but Jay said the team that did it wrote some very unflattering things on the ballot. We got a good laugh out of it...

LOL

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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

So CMP is next..  Is every one ready,. ?
  I am really looking forwards to this. Seeing that the Porcubimmer did so well.  It looks like it takes about 2 races to get all the bugs worked out on a E30.

EuroTrash E30 - Lemons South 08 (cooling probs) 24th /CMP  Spring 09 (fuel tank damage) one day on track 69th /Lemons South 09 (Hit by an Escort) 27th
MSR Tx, 10 2oth, no issues other than rain. /CHump Homestead Miami 10- 2nd place.

71 (edited by VKZ24 2009-08-19 07:52 AM)

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Tajracing45 wrote:

I just FINALLY started uploaded 2009 CMP videos...

We finally got ours uploaded as well.  Unfortunately the camera crapped out Saturday so all of our video is from Sunday only.  There are several videos because it had to be broken into 10 min segments for YouTube of course.

Here is one with good battles between us (Team Dorifto Dogs) and the Subarjew wagon.  Also seen is the cursed #32 Superkak Mustang guys.  Enjoy!

Linky

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Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

bam2002 wrote:

So CMP is next..  Is every one ready,. ?
  I am really looking forwards to this. Seeing that the Porcubimmer did so well.  It looks like it takes about 2 races to get all the bugs worked out on a E30.

Ready.. Nope   but with some more brutal weekend thrashing sessions.   Our team is now convinced that Jay is evil and must enjoy the pain he inflicts on the masses. 

Can't wait for it to time to suit up!

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

you guys chose to race a Saab.  don't blame your suffering on Jay.  wink

mike - Schumacher Taxi Service
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"Winner" - We Got Screwed, NJMP '11

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

Buzz Killington wrote:

you guys chose to race a Saab.  don't blame your suffering on Jay.  wink

Our team therapist said something very similar.  You will really dig the new Saab....

Re: Lemons South Fall. Who is in?

So what is the final Car count for CMP.  I will be sharing the track with how many other teams?

Also is there a approved track configuration?  I am trying to get a new driver on the team ready for the event. Thus letting him know what to expect..   IE  what videos to watch on youtube.   
RE The last CMP event  running the 1/2 track.   OR to watch some Spec e30 videos where the full track is used.

Any on have the answers?

Thanks

EuroTrash E30 - Lemons South 08 (cooling probs) 24th /CMP  Spring 09 (fuel tank damage) one day on track 69th /Lemons South 09 (Hit by an Escort) 27th
MSR Tx, 10 2oth, no issues other than rain. /CHump Homestead Miami 10- 2nd place.