Topic: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Or maybe it's strawberry milkshake, but it is thick, pink, slippery stuff, coats everything. All the gears and everything have pink stuff on them.  The stuff does not simply drain off the parts and pool in the pan. We found it in one of the trannys I opened up today. Seems to be impervious to Brakeclean. Does not smell like gear oil, thankfully. What is it? Should I flush it out, or get more?

This is an Opel GT tranny and was used in a race car (Manta, 10 years ago) before we got it last month.

We had tranny problems during the last race. Now we have five and are rebuilding them all. (They are only about the size of a loaf of bread.) One for each driver. Long pit stops. wink

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Marvel Mystery Oil mixed with gear oil?

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Sounds like water and tranny fluid mix

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Amsoil? Redline MTL?   ATF?       There are a lot of red products out there and they will do that with just a little bit of water mixed in.

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Transmission cooler in radiator is cracked.

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I'm gonna agree with posts #3 and #5.

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7 (edited by m610 2010-11-14 11:37 PM)

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

I thought about the possibility of water, but it's a manual transmission and it didn't have a cooler, and there is no rust in the tranny. Everything looks clean.

Edit - pics
http://www.kstreetstudio.com/files/tinyvette/tranny/DSC_0217-1024.jpg
http://www.kstreetstudio.com/files/tinyvette/tranny/DSC_0218-1024.jpg

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Never mind my post.

Was the car flooded? That sure is a weird color. Maybe it's some kind of industrial lube?

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

almost looks like someone used ATF+ motor oil and let it get really hot, then age for a decade

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Water + Redline?

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If there were water mixed in there would be rust, you could heat some up and see how the fluid behaves.

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12 (edited by EBudman 2010-11-15 05:41 AM)

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Looks like Redline Shockproof gear oil.  I think there are a few different colors to identify the viscosity, but that is definitely what it looks like..... (and how it acts)

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Does look similar to redline shockproof, looks alittle more red that shockproof.http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx340/INDYSUPRA1/car/IMG952010110995181839.jpg

Here is some redline to compare it to.

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Correct.  That is Redline Shockproof MTL.  Great stuff for shockloaded gears, because it applies the thick waxy film to the gearteeth.  I don't know if it is good for long distance racing, because it's questionable if it will flow into bearings & bushings as needed.

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15 (edited by m610 2010-11-15 08:52 AM)

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Thanks all.

The Redline web site also noted that it was not recommended for most synchro transmission due to slipperiness. Opel folks have also recommended against synthetics for the same reason.

The previous owner probably ran the transmission in his Manta on the oval tracks here in Nor Calia. Short, intense races. Definitely not endurance racing.

I guess now I have to find a way to get all that goo out of there. Maybe I can borrow the parts washer at EGR. My carport is not so well equipped. Just the usual hand tools, a jack, and I took apart the planter thingy to make a work bench.

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

SoFlacrapcan wrote:

Sounds like water and tranny fluid mix

Yup, oil and water stirred vigorously = emulsion.

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Yeah,  bring it by the shop, you can use the parts washer (standard payment of one six pack of good beer may be required)    Most synthetics over-lubricate the syncros and cause shifting problems and premature wear on older transmissions...   Get that stuff out of there.

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

mackwagon wrote:
SoFlacrapcan wrote:

Sounds like water and tranny fluid mix

Yup, oil and water stirred vigorously = emulsion.

Read all previous posts before adding two cents. Compound has been identified.

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

I managed to contact eh PO and he confirmed it was Pepto... Redline Shockproof. The garage he worked at had Redline products out the ears. I've yet to get his impression of how well it worked. Supposedly it i not recommended for synchro transmissions.

I'll be taking the tranny to EGR today to clean the stuff out.

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

There's a Spec Miata/MX-5 Cup team at MSR Cresson that uses a mixture of shockproof (or light shockproof) and MTL (or MT-90?) in their Miata transmissions. Might be you have a "custom" blend like that?

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Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

I've used Redline Ultra Heavy Shockproof (what you have) to keep a FWD SE-R trans happy under almost 500whp of gear-shredding power.  Never had synchro issues either.  Yours is probably a little darker because there was probably still some old, dead, regular gear oil in there.

The Light Shockproof is blue.

We also use the stuff in our G20 racecar.  No problems there either.  Once it gets up to temperature, it pours/moves pretty easy.

BTW, I once accidentally spilled a drop on the compressor housing on my SE-R, and forgot about it.  The stuff stayed in the EXACT SAME SPOT for THREE MONTHS before I noticed it and washed it off.  Amazing stuff.  Much like the ProMAX stuff, I know a guy who cracked his case, dumped all of his Pepto out, and drove it that way for a week before pulling the trans.  Again: amazing stuff.

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

rockwood wrote:

I've used Redline Ultra Heavy Shockproof (what you have) to keep a FWD SE-R trans happy under almost 500whp of gear-shredding power.  Never had synchro issues either.  Yours is probably a little darker because there was probably still some old, dead, regular gear oil in there.

The Light Shockproof is blue.

We also use the stuff in our G20 racecar.  No problems there either.  Once it gets up to temperature, it pours/moves pretty easy.

BTW, I once accidentally spilled a drop on the compressor housing on my SE-R, and forgot about it.  The stuff stayed in the EXACT SAME SPOT for THREE MONTHS before I noticed it and washed it off.  Amazing stuff.  Much like the ProMAX stuff, I know a guy who cracked his case, dumped all of his Pepto out, and drove it that way for a week before pulling the trans.  Again: amazing stuff.

Noted... Shockproof for every tortured tranny I have. Do they make ATF?!

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23 (edited by Mulry 2010-11-19 07:29 AM)

Re: Pepto Bismol in the Tranny.

Redline does make ATF fluids (including a Racing ATF) but I don't see that they make shockproof for ATF.

I'd recommend that you call them on the phone though and see if they have a product that does the same thing without clogging the ATF internal passages. Their phone support is incredible for racers. I called with an off-the-wall question one time (go figure) and they couldn't answer it right away but a couple of their engineers got together over lunch and then they called me back the next day. Didn't make a lick of difference in the end (we went in a different direction on that project) but it sure did make me a customer for life.

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