Topic: The Lemons Grail, a Delorean

I'm helping a friend of a friend resurrect a Delorean as a non street legal track car.  Yes, a Delorean DMC-12.  The 2nd hardest part is going to be convincing the car's owner that a non-stock LeMony drivetrain will be an improvement over the stock GM junk.  The hardest part will be convincing him that he should race the car in Lemons.

Any suggestions for a suitable engine/transaxle?  Was the 1st gen Taurus ever available with a manual trans outside of the SHO?  I wonder if a VW TDI drivetrain would fit.

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2 (edited by FJ40Jim 2010-12-17 10:32 AM)

Re: The Lemons Grail, a Delorean

They did not have a horrible GM drivetrain.  They had the terrible PRV V6 and most were autotransaxle.

The V6engine & slushbox from a newish GM landyacht would be a big improvement.

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Yeah, a Peugeot-Renault-Volvo engine seems like an awfully LeMony one to me!

The first gen Taurus was available with a 4-cylinder and manual trans, but not the V6.

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1990s Lincoln Continental? FWD transaxle with the DOHC 4.6 Mod motor. could come out totally awesome!

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I know a thing or two about DeLoreans.  My dad has two of them.  I really don't think it's possible to put a cage in a DMC.  There isn't enough headroom as is.  Adding a cage would make the car so short that only children could fit.  Also, the entire body structure is fiberglass, so attaching the cage would be tricky as well.  Then there are the doors.  You have to have doors, but I sure wouldn't want to be upside down with no way out.  The windows are too small to use for egress.

I'd love to see a Lemons DMC, but it won't be easy.  Also, even parts cars are worth $3k - $5k, so it will be tough not to get many laps without Phil giving you a pass.

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Re: The Lemons Grail, a Delorean

Jeff G 78 wrote:

so it will be tough not to get many laps without Phil giving you a pass.

This would be one of those cars that a BS pass would pretty much be a given if it's done right.  (and by right, I mean "completely wrong")

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Re: The Lemons Grail, a Delorean

I think phil would pass a delorean only for the sheer lunacy of entering such an 80's iconic crap bomb on the track.

as for the cage, I think you'd have to run full-width spreader plates tying the entire cage to itself at it's base in every corner (think flattened box) and then bolts through the body with another spreader plate network that closely matches the one created at the base, to sandwich the base together. That's really the only reasonable way i could see doing it.

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Very true Loren, but in this case, I *think* it would almost have to be a G.L.C.O.A.T. style waiver due to shear value of even the worst DeLorean.  I can see a horrid Corvette getting no laps, but a DMC would be different.

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I think if the driver's seat and harnesses are attached to the cage-- meaning you use sill bars and cross tubes attached to them that support the seat and harnesses, then you shouldn't have any problems. So long as the driver travels with the cage (should it want to begin to punch through the floor) then the protection offered by the cage isn't compromised. We did just this for both the mini and the Moke. I didn't trust 40+ year old rusty British steel to hold the harnesses let alone the seat. Both are attached to a floor frame structure directly welded to the cage.

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We did the above in our Geo Metro.  We didn't trust the paper thin floor to save us if we were crushed by a Crown Vic.

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11 (edited by Mulry 2010-12-17 09:19 PM)

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That style cage is my plan for the 1967 SIMCA 1000 GLS that I'm picking up tomorrow... smile

Spank, thanks for the photo. That was what I was thinking about already but seeing a photo is so valuable. Question on the corner boxes/plinths. First: why? Why not just weld tube to tube at all the intersections, then gusset the intersections? Or did you start the whole thing with putting in the plinths so that you would have a flat reference point across the tops of them for the rest of the cage? I guess using plinths like that makes it easier to do the top welds on the cage too since you can just grind off the tack welds on the top surface of the plinth, lower the top of the cage 3-4-5 inches, do the 360 weld at the top, then put it back up like the way the WRC guys do their cages.

Did I just answer my own question(s)? smile

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Re: The Lemons Grail, a Delorean

Mulry wrote:

Did I just answer my own question(s)? smile

Yup, mostly.

But the next one I do in a mini probably won't use those boxes mainly because they took a helluva long time to design to fit the body contours and cut from 3/8" and then weld up. Waaaay heavy and plate could have worked just fine. Plus, I don't mind cutting access holes in the sheet metal to get 360 welds next time.

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http://www.rootes-chrysler.co.uk/images/develop/devbagheera_02.jpg

I still think the Matra Bagheera is much more of a Holy Grail than the DeLorean.

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And let's not forget the Humber Sceptre!

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Judge Phil wrote:

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And let's not forget the Humber Sceptre!

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