1 (edited by Sledge 2011-01-06 10:31 AM)

Topic: Fuel Jugs and Seat Sliders

I've been having a heck of a time finding FIA, SFI, SCCA approved fuel jugs.  I have found plenty 5 gallon jugs on Summit and Jegs, but none seem to carry the approval of the aforementioned organizations.  Does anyone know where I can get these jugs and how much they cost?

Also, does anyone else out there run a Kirkey seat on sliders?  I know Kirkey wants you to hard-mount it to the roll cage, but there is a 9 inch height difference between the people on our team, so we need the slider.  I ordered a sliding mechanism from Sparco and the side-mount towers that go with it with the hopes of modifying that to suit my needs.

Thanks

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We run a kirkey on a factory slider but will have to modify slightly to adjust for our gorilla that drives the car.  He keeps getting taller.

No idea on jugs....still trying to see if the ones I had from last year will be okay.

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Anyone know if  vp fuel juggs and filler necks are legal?

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Pretty much all 5 gallon jugs are acceptable...   VP, Scribner, etc.     

Sliders are problematic, but are acceptable if well done.  Your seat will need a back brace that is also adjustable.   

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Re: Fuel Jugs and Seat Sliders

Sledge wrote:

Also, does anyone else out there run a Kirkey seat on sliders?  I know Kirkey wants you to hard-mount it to the roll cage, but there is a 9 inch height difference between the people on our team, so we need the slider.  I ordered a sliding mechanism from Sparco and the side-mount towers that go with it with the hopes of modifying that to suit my needs.

Thanks

We run a Kirkey on sliders. When Kirkey says they want it mounted to the roll cage, they're talking about mounting in a tube frame car, not one like our MR2 that has a big hump in the middle of the car for the fuel tank. Since I couldn't mount them to the roll cage, here's how I do it. I don't use the side-mounts at all, they just complicate this unnecessarily; also, I sometimes have some very tall drivers and in our MR2 they need all the head clearance they can afford under the roof, so any additional height above the floor is unwelcome.

I am using this OMP slider:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/produc … RecID=5885

I have it attached directly through the bottom of the Kirkey seat using some round-head allen bolts to the top of the slide. Then the bottom of the slide is bolted to the floor (through the floor, actually) with large spreader plates under the floor. I use a number of large washers as spacers above the floor to keep it flat/planar because the sliders don't like to get out of plane, otherwise they rack and don't work right. The spreader plates on the bottom are to keep the seat from pulling free of the floor sheet metal in the event of a hard collision.

Attaching it through the floor in this manner is made easier if you weld the bolts to the slider tracks (the stationary part) so that they don't want to move around while you're trying to bolt it down from under the car.

If you have the vertical room, you can build a bracket that attaches to/through the floor and to which the sliders mount, but I don't have that luxury.

FWIW, the sliders work great, have a very positive actuation, and everybody I know who's used them has been happy with them.

We use the I/O Port seat back brace to make sure that there's no movement of the seatback in the event of a collision:

http://www.ioportracing.com/Merchant2/m … ry_Code=IH

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Check the sticky thread on the new rules, there is clarification on the jugs there.  Bottom line is any UNMODIFIED, 5 gallon or LESS jug that was manfuactured for the intent purpose of carrying fuel.   Nothing hommade.

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I didn't even pick up "unmodified" necessarily.  Modifying the hoses and vents seems to be okay.  What I did pick up (from Jay's response more than anything else) is that it needs to be a standard fuel container of 5 gallons or less and you need to physically pick it up and pour the fuel into your car.  It's the KISS principle applied to fueling.

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Loren wrote:

I didn't even pick up "unmodified" necessarily.  Modifying the hoses and vents seems to be okay.  What I did pick up (from Jay's response more than anything else) is that it needs to be a standard fuel container of 5 gallons or less and you need to physically pick it up and pour the fuel into your car.  It's the KISS principle applied to fueling.

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Thanks for the reply's.  I just ordered the back brace for the seat from IO Port and a bunch of 5 Gallon fuel jugs made by PU. 

Another quick question, do I need to keep just water in my cooling system the entire time I am at the event or just when my car is going to be on the track?  It could get awful cold overnight.

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Re: Fuel Jugs and Seat Sliders

Loren wrote:

I didn't even pick up "unmodified" necessarily.  Modifying the hoses and vents seems to be okay.  What I did pick up (from Jay's response more than anything else) is that it needs to be a standard fuel container of 5 gallons or less and you need to physically pick it up and pour the fuel into your car.  It's the KISS principle applied to fueling.

Allow me to requote Jay's final word on fuel jugs with necessary emphasis.  This was in direct response to the question of modifications.

"The next guy who yaps off about his brilliant fueling workaround scheme, no doubt guaranteed to save .3 seconds per stop, will be docked 50 laps. With that in mind, I might suggest it'd be much faster just to bring 5-gallon cans, not dick around with them , and get on with your life, already."

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Re: Fuel Jugs and Seat Sliders

Sledge wrote:

Another quick question, do I need to keep just water in my cooling system the entire time I am at the event or just when my car is going to be on the track?  It could get awful cold overnight.

you just need to have only water when its on the track, You fill it up with beer when its not being raced but you better make sure its completely flushed and filled up with water without anything else left in it when you hit the track and you better make sure you properly dispose of what you take out per the track rules and not just let it spill all over your paddock spot.  So unless you know the temp is going to drop below freezing its probably not worth the effort.

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Does that mean no water pump lube ( the white stuff ) in the water?

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Just water.

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Per the seat
- I've mounted exactly as Mulry has described - except that I have longitudinals from cross-braces that were added to the bottom of the main and front hoops and also with a variation on the seat-back brace. This is an awesome setup, passes tech and with examining a video of a recent side-impact, plenty sturdy.
- I've also mounted straight to cage, this is not Only For Tube-frame cars - you only need to provide extra cross-bars and risers for the seat pan - but straight to cage means everyone needs to be pretty close in stature... we used different seat pads for each driver. It's a PITA and not ADA compliant - my next build gets the slider.

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dculberson wrote:

Just water.

got it.

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