Topic: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

This would be epic in my book.
Just in case you are unfamiliar with a meyers manx here is a pic

http://www.meyersmanx.com/realmanx.shtml

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

My understanding is they are not legal per Jay.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

I dont know how you could possibly make one strong enough to survive getting t-boned by a Cadillac.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

If you can put a lambo door on a pinto for Lemons, i know you could cage a manx. 

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

I used to drive a street built Manx with a full cage.  No way I'd put one on a track (although it would be fun.  I always used to tell my passengers the seat belts were only there to help the emergency crews find our dead bodies quicker in an accident.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

I thought the rules said no Kit cars..  A dune buggy would fit that bill.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

bam2002 wrote:

I thought the rules said no Kit cars..  A dune buggy would fit that bill.

They actually produced them in the 70's, as with many kit cars. They make a few thousand as production run, and  the rest are boxed up. I would bet you can make a deal with Jay to run it.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

Baron wrote:
bam2002 wrote:

I thought the rules said no Kit cars..  A dune buggy would fit that bill.

They actually produced them in the 70's, as with many kit cars. They make a few thousand as production run, and  the rest are boxed up. I would bet you can make a deal with Jay to run it.

Then you run into the having to prove the one you have was a production car.
Also a few thousand is very optimistic, most were rarely produced in the hundreds.  And the factory produced cars generally tend to bring decent money not Lemons prices. 

All that said a factory built Deserter GS would be incredible.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

Last I remember kit cars were deemed ok. They may be scrutinized to be approved but can be O.K. Here is the thread - http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=2541

Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

It is not any different than our car if you cage it completely from the front beam to the torsion housing and build a good rear cage for larger cars to  hit ya.  Now where it gets sticky is cost.  We spent upwards of $2k for our tubing (DOM) is expensive just for the primary pieces in the cage.  I think if you set it up like a Class 5 Score cage  similar to what we did it would be just as safe if not safer than quite a few cars we have seen in Lemons.  Ultimately the sheet metal is not what is going to save you it is the frame/tubing so if a fiberglass Corvette can run hey why not a Myers Buggy.    There are a few other issues like the fuel cell etc that would have to be worked through but if someone is intersted I would say it could be done and they would be happy to have ya if ya have a cute theme and are gratious about it.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

If a bug or ghia or whatever has a roof on it its already 100% stronger than a manx. The roof adds almost as much structural integrity to the pan as the actual pan/tunnel has.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

Winging it wrote:

If a bug or ghia or whatever has a roof on it its already 100% stronger than a manx. The roof adds almost as much structural integrity to the pan as the actual pan/tunnel has.

Very true the body as a whole becomes a structural member when bolted to the pan.  A Manx buggy is very "flexible" without the structural members of the body.  The biggest problem is most people choose to cage them by bolting/welding to the floor which without the heater channels to tie everything together have no stability at all and will fold up pretty easy. 

As the previous poster stated you could tie in to the front and rear torsion housings but not while fitting it under a stock body.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

It absolutely can be done on a stock pan.  It is just time and a lot of fab skills.  Plus with this you could use it after Lemons if it survives.  Raise it back up and off to the dunes you go.  Hang out in Glamis with your Lemons Racer?

We lost the roof on our bug cause it was so much easier to get those 360 welds with out the roof.  If anyone is serously interested I can walk ya through how to set up the cage and where to get ideas... Rember those BAJA guys have been doing this for quite a bit longer than us Lemons guys.

But back to the origional post.  I see no reason why not.  If it is a well built cage/chasis.  Chasis is the key word there.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

You would be amazed at the rigidity with glass compared to without. Recyclers learned to knock all the glass out of the old bugs before they put them in the crusher so it would actually crush the first time they tried...

Our MX6's cage was WAY overbuilt, and rather than chop it up to meet the new rules, we added to it. There is literally a full stick of hrew that is simply not needed, but makes the car VERY rigid and will keep the car from folding up if there was a bad wreck. We can stick a jack under the rocker on the driver's side behind the front tire and jack up 3 tires off the ground.

With a Manx bodied vw chassis, you could easily tie the front and rear suspension mounts into the cage and have a VERY rigid and safe car. Might be a little slow though.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

From my understanding all cars must be based off a full production car. So as far as other racing sanctions define they must be produced in over 500 in quantity and must meet crash standards for the time.

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Re: Has anyone run a Manx style dunebuggy at Lemons?

Baron wrote:

With a Manx bodied vw chassis, you could easily tie the front and rear suspension mounts into the cage and have a VERY rigid and safe car. Might be a little awesome though.

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