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Hello all. complete newbie here considering making the jump from Demolition derby to Lemons Racing.
My first question is, what kind of speed are these races usually run at? I know each track is different and this is kind of a stupid question, but i figure i need to start somewhere.
witch track will you run?
MSR Houston gets a average speed of <75
And just to be sure...
Hello all. complete newbie here considering making the jump from Demolition derby to Lemons Racing.
you do know this is non-contact racing?
That was like saying you are an curling player that is going to figure skate
they both involve ice, but...
"hay I went to a demolition derby the other day and a Lemons race broke out"
Thinking of doing the Arse Freeze Apalooza In Buttonwillow sometime in the future.
I am fully aware that this is a non contact race. Having done well in Derby, i would like to broaden my horizons and try something new.
We see about 100 top speed at both MSRH and NPR. I think our average lap speed was 70 last time.
Any guess about the average speed at Stafford Springs?
Any guess about the average speed at Stafford Springs?
53-57 mph thats average speed....top speed will higher.
Any guess about the average speed at Stafford Springs?
top speed maybe 80 with an average of about 50 from why i can recall
We see about 100 top speed at both MSRH and NPR. I think our average lap speed was 70 last time.
We had a top speed of about 100 at MSR, our average lap at MSR was 57 I think. The average was not helped by the rain.
Our speedo is busted, but we estimate that top speeds at Buttonwillow were around 100-110. This was pretty common on all west coast tracks (except Pheonix).
You'll be going a little faster than your typical demo derby.
yeah, just think "highway speeds" average around most tracks. I believe ITB class speeds for a given track are roughly what we run. I've heard a few reports of hitting triple digits at CMP, so just look at the straights on the given track, and if they're more than 2,000ft then it's safe to say you'll get some pretty fast speeds if your car can get past 40mph
The Killer Bee hit 90 once or twice on the straight @ T-Hill when the wind shifted. Most other cars were faster. I'm sure even a Sunbeam Alpine could hit 80.
yeah, just think "highway speeds" average around most tracks. I believe ITB class speeds for a given track are roughly what we run. I've heard a few reports of hitting triple digits at CMP, so just look at the straights on the given track, and if they're more than 2,000ft then it's safe to say you'll get some pretty fast speeds if your car can get past 40mph
2nd that.... I run ITA in my "other" racing life, and at the tracks I like in the mid-west average speeds are in the 75mph range...
We hit 90 at CMP, so I'm sure some of the faster cars were in triple digits.
The Killer Bee hit 90 once or twice on the straight @ T-Hill when the wind shifted. Most other cars were faster. I'm sure even a Sunbeam Alpine could hit 80.
Not with all those nickels weighing it down!!
Back to speeds....it all depends on the track and your car.....for example the 928 Estate and V8olvo could both hit around 110mph on the main straight at Thunderhill....that was on the high end....the slowest corners are around 45mph....average lap speed varies from say 72mph to a qualifing lap of maybe 80mph.... I think Buttonwillow is slightly faster.....
At Thunderhill, based on my rough calculations, some of the fast Lemons cars can average in excess or 75 mph, probably hitting upwards of 110 on the front straight.
The Cavalier would do 110 at Thunderhill, but our lap times suffered from the too-long left axle, which limited our ability to do fast right turns, which killed the drive onto the front straight...
The Cavalier would do 110 at Thunderhill, but our lap times suffered from the too-long left axle, which limited our ability to do fast right turns, which killed the drive onto the front straight...
For some reason I can't see a cavalier pulling those speeds...
At MSR Houston, our fast average lap speeds were in the mid-60 MPH range.
A 2:10 lap had an average speed of 65.695.
A 2:04 was just about 70.
It seems like most of our average lap speeds were around 60 MPH in the 2:20 range.
I am know we were in the 100s going down the straight into the Diamonds Edge.
X-args wrote:The Cavalier would do 110 at Thunderhill, but our lap times suffered from the too-long left axle, which limited our ability to do fast right turns, which killed the drive onto the front straight...
For some reason I can't see a cavalier pulling those speeds...
I second that, I'm pretty sure they disintegrate into a pile of scrap metal at around 90.
X-args wrote:The Cavalier would do 110 at Thunderhill, but our lap times suffered from the too-long left axle, which limited our ability to do fast right turns, which killed the drive onto the front straight...
For some reason I can't see a cavalier pulling those speeds...
I can. Their Cavalier is quick!
^^ +1
The X-args Cavalier(s) is one of the most impressive cars in Lemons in my opinion. Shockingly quick. And well-driven.
Shucks, thanks! Nice to be appreciated. Apparently we didn't slam the door on you guys enough times!
It hasn't been quite reliable enough for a win (and us fast enough, heh), we've done pretty well and have been well pleased with how nice it is to drive.
A lot of thanks to the ex-GM engineer who's obsessed with the Cavalier, and found us the first one. Now that we've solved the 'rear wheels fall off after x-hours of high lateral g' problem, it's been great.
The trick for us has been in the chassis setup and choosing the right junkyard springs like V6 convertible rears and 4 cyl strippo fronts so its as tail happy as a car with 66% of its weight on the front wheels can be. And the biggest rear sway bar (from another GM car) that can be made to fit...
A good bunch of drivers.
Who still get too many 'flag black' as our Argentinian guest said at Buttonwillow, but the repeated lashings and boxing of ears have made some headway in that department.
Looking forward to the Sears race, we've got better brakes for this one- and if it rains we'll use our FWD to the max.
JWR991 wrote:Any guess about the average speed at Stafford Springs?
top speed maybe 80 with an average of about 50 from why i can recall
with or without the chicane? with it, top speed of ~60, with an (obviously) lower average. maybe 45? we were topping out 2nd gear at ~8000rpm in our FX16.
our suupercharged MR2 was hitting ~110 at nelson ledges, ~75 at CMP (but was never running right at CMP).
eljefe17 wrote:JWR991 wrote:Any guess about the average speed at Stafford Springs?
top speed maybe 80 with an average of about 50 from why i can recall
with or without the chicane? with it, top speed of ~60, with an (obviously) lower average. maybe 45? we were topping out 2nd gear at ~8000rpm in our FX16.
our suupercharged MR2 was hitting ~110 at nelson ledges, ~75 at CMP (but was never running right at CMP).
without, even with the car laying down after 4500rpm or so
2 years is too far back to remember back to with the chicane
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