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We've had a rash of E30 overall wins in the last year or so, which means BMW and Toyota are now tied at five Lemons wins apiece. Honda and Nissan have two apiece. Thanks to Eyesore Racing, Mazda sits with a comfortable seven Lemons victories.
General Motors still dominates the Index Of Effluency. USA! USA! USA!
Sure, but uber teams like Eyesore distort the stats....how about using the top ten finishing positions instead of overall wins?
General Motors still dominates the Index Of Effluency.
More proof that GMs run bad longer than most cars run.
Yeah, when I get consistently whooped by another team, I like to call it "distorting the stats."
Oh, and for the record, my two current cars? A BMW and a Mazda.
Wait'll I get the '52 Rover running. Lemons podium, here we come.
Yeah, when I get consistently whooped by another team, I like to call it "distorting the stats."
Oh, and for the record, my two current cars? A BMW and a Mazda.
Wait'll I get the '52 Rover running. Lemons podium, here we come.
But Eyesore probably could get that Rover on the podium....what I mean is that to really separate the good makes from the good teams, you have to control for side issues like talented drivers and good mechanics...and yes, I have been whupped by Eyesore, and I'm in good company! Besides they're entertaining as hell...
Sorry Honda, we tried 
1st loser at CMP
Sorry Honda, we tried
1st loser at CMP
Take solace in the fact that you weren't the only losers at CMP.
I'm proud to say Porsche has ZERO
Sure, but uber teams like Eyesore distort the stats....how about using the top ten finishing positions instead of overall wins?
no, manufacturers like Mazda distort the stats. 
Sure, but uber teams like Eyesore distort the stats....how about using the top ten finishing positions instead of overall wins?
That would mean doing a bunch of extra work. Any volunteers?
Anyway, Mazda would still come out on top.
... and British cars still at the bottom....
Given the MX-5/Miata's predisposition to race duty, wouldn't it make more sense to make Miata a manufacturer designation (of sorts) so as to differentiate it against other Mazda models that are more on par with the rest of manufacturers crappy racecars? I'd rather see a BF/BG 323, Millenia S, 929, etc. than a Miata unilaterally win it for Mazda.
Nothing wrong with a Miata winning Lemons (Eyesore deserves everything they get with their great themes), but the top Spec racers seem to dominate Lemons pretty effectively.
Given the MX-5/Miata's predisposition to race duty, wouldn't it make more sense to make Miata a manufacturer designation (of sorts) so as to differentiate it against other Mazda models that are more on par with the rest of manufacturers crappy racecars? I'd rather see a BF/BG 323, Millenia S, 929, etc. than a Miata unilaterally win it for Mazda.
Nothing wrong with a Miata winning Lemons (Eyesore deserves everything they get with their great themes), but the top Spec racers seem to dominate Lemons pretty effectively.
yes, but CMP seems to be E30 country Ya'll. 
or RX-7 country depending on how you look at it.
of course there was that Saab.:)
If you look at the "modern" era of Lemons racing....not the lowly dark ages of 2008 and before.....it looks like this:
BMW E30 5 wins (all different teams)
Mazda 4 wins (3 eyesore in miata)
Ford-Nissan-Honda have 2 each
Toyota-Volvo-Saab have 1 (but isn't the volvo a ford?)
More detailed info pending
Did a little crunching--included 2008, since that's the earliest season the site has car info for, the judges might have more detailed info than this noob 
Mazda: 6 wins--
4 in Miatas: New England 2008, Goin-for-Broken 2009, Gavel-Tap 2010, Sears Pointless 2010; the last three were by Eyesore Racing
2 in RX7s: South 2008, South Fall 2009
BMW: 5 wins, all in E30s: South Spring 2009-10, Texas 2009, Arse-Freeze-Palooza 2009, Cain't Git Bayou 2010; Texas 2009 and Bayou 2010 were from Race Hard Race Ugly, the only other team to date with more than one outright victory since 2008. Hooray parity!
Honda/Acura: 3 wins in 3 different cars: Integra at Altamont 2008, Civic at New England 2009, CRX at American Irony 2010
Toyota: also 3 wins in 3 different cars: Supra at Detroit-ish 2008, Corolla at Texas 2008, Celica at Laissez les Crapheaps Roulez 2009
Nissan: 2 wins, basically in the same model: a 200SX at Lamest Day 2009, and a Sentra at Goin-for-Broken 2010
Ford: 2 wins in 2 cars, both at Gator-Rama: Mustang in 2009, Taurus SHO in 2010
The only outright win for ANY GM marque since 2008: Geo, the Metro-Gnome at Arse-Freeze-Palooza 2008
Volvo's only win: a V8-powered 244 at Buttonwillow Histrionics 2009
Saab's only win: a 900 Turbo at Southern Discomfort 2010
Okay I took the data for 2010 to date....I looked at the top 5 overall places and assigned points to each place...5 for 1st and going down to 1 for 5th. Here is the stats:
2010
#1 make................... BMW with 26 points (E30's were 21 points)
#2 make................... MAZDA with 23 points
#3 make................... NISSAN with 13 points (Z's scored points..WTF)
#4 make..tie-Ford & Honda with 10 points
#5 make Acura 5 points
#6 make Toyota 4 points
The other way to look at the "points" is average points per appearance...the higher the better...
#1 BMW E30 (alone) 3.50
#2 Ford 3.33 (due the SHO kicking butt down south!!)
#3 Honda 3.33 winning detroit helps
#4 Mazda 3.28 mostly Eyesore
#5 Nissan 3.25 SE-R's do well and Z's got 3-4 in Phoenix
#6 Acura 2.5 Krider is always good
#7 BMW non-E30 1.67 kinda dispells the BMW myth
after crunching the numbers...what does it say..... sure some cars are "easier" to place high with than others, but a well prepared and well driven car WILL do well with a bit of luck...... Really who would have thought a Saab or SHO would win.....not only did the SHO win it placed 2nd too...
Okay I took the data for 2010 to date....I looked at the top 5 overall places and assigned points to each place...5 for 1st and going down to 1 for 5th. Here is the stats:
2010
#1 make................... BMW with 26 points (E30's were 21 points)
#2 make................... MAZDA with 23 points
#3 make................... NISSAN with 13 points (Z's scored points..WTF)
#4 make..tie-Ford & Honda with 10 points
#5 make Acura 5 points
#6 make Toyota 4 pointsThe other way to look at the "points" is average points per appearance...the higher the better...
#1 BMW E30 (alone) 3.50
#2 Ford 3.33 (due the SHO kicking butt down south!!)
#3 Honda 3.33 winning detroit helps
#4 Mazda 3.28 mostly Eyesore
#5 Nissan 3.25 SE-R's do well and Z's got 3-4 in Phoenix
#6 Acura 2.5 Krider is always good
#7 BMW non-E30 1.67 kinda dispells the BMW mythafter crunching the numbers...what does it say..... sure some cars are "easier" to place high with than others, but a well prepared and well driven car WILL do well with a bit of luck...... Really who would have thought a Saab or SHO would win.....not only did the SHO win it placed 2nd too...
please remember the "BMW Myth" is proportional to the resale value of used BMWs. E28 535s are still holding their value enough to keep them above the $500 line. plus 5 series BMWs from the Eighties are less prevalent than the E30. running E21s are hard to find and certainly way too nice to LeMon-ize. supply and demand allows the E30 to be cheap, simple enough.
the earliest E36s are the 1992 model year. today they can be had for sub $1000 in ghastly condition. 2 more years, two more years.
cast iron block, non-vanos, OBDI ......... basically bulletproof.
Did a little crunching--included 2008, since that's the earliest season the site has car info for, the judges might have more detailed info than this noob
Mazda: 6 wins--
4 in Miatas: New England 2008, Goin-for-Broken 2009, Gavel-Tap 2010, Sears Pointless 2010; the last three were by Eyesore Racing
2 in RX7s: South 2008, South Fall 2009BMW: 5 wins, all in E30s: South Spring 2009-10, Texas 2009, Arse-Freeze-Palooza 2009, Cain't Git Bayou 2010; Texas 2009 and Bayou 2010 were from Race Hard Race Ugly, the only other team to date with more than one outright victory since 2008. Hooray parity!
Honda/Acura: 3 wins in 3 different cars: Integra at Altamont 2008, Civic at New England 2009, CRX at American Irony 2010
Toyota: also 3 wins in 3 different cars: Supra at Detroit-ish 2008, Corolla at Texas 2008, Celica at Laissez les Crapheaps Roulez 2009
Nissan: 2 wins, basically in the same model: a 200SX at Lamest Day 2009, and a Sentra at Goin-for-Broken 2010
Ford: 2 wins in 2 cars, both at Gator-Rama: Mustang in 2009, Taurus SHO in 2010
The only outright win for ANY GM marque since 2008: Geo, the Metro-Gnome at Arse-Freeze-Palooza 2008
Volvo's only win: a V8-powered 244 at Buttonwillow Histrionics 2009
Saab's only win: a 900 Turbo at Southern Discomfort 2010
i seem to remember a protege winning at some point.
i seem to remember a protege winning at some point.
Checked the page, it was Thunderhill '07, I started looking from '08.
That's "SAAB', not "Saab", thank you.....
A neon won Altamont in 07. the Lemon Lappers. so there's one for mopar, woo!
"Bernie's Revenege" Toyota Supra won Detroit-ish/Flatrock in 07 (FIRST Lemons RACE OUTSIDE OF CALI AND FIRST FULL 24!!!)
don't get your hopes up on 80's supras though, i think like 3 more were actually at that flatrock race and at least 1, if not 2 put rods through their blocks. I think this might actually be the only race that the Rubber Biscuit Caprice didn't blow a motor or catch fire
I think this might actually be the only race that the Rubber Biscuit Caprice didn't blow a motor or catch fire
Yes, but it did get the People's Curse.
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