1 (edited by Troy 2011-05-14 04:59 AM)

Topic: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

http://www.ultrachiller.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22

Ultra Chiller sells complete systems, Shirt & Cooler for $229.00!!!

DIY Cooler Kits: $189.00 includes shirt
You supply your own cooler.

Shirts: $89.00
Uses same connectors as Cool Shirt.

Troy

#35 LRE
1973 Datsun 240Z

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

FWIW, the Engel Cooler/DryBox is the same cooler that the FAST Systems cool shirt system uses for their cooler:

http://www.engel-usa.com/coolerdryboxes.html

It's kinda spendy but it does have a very positive latch preventing the contents from spilling during cornering. We just use large Coleman coolers in our DIY versions and strap them down in the car with a ratchet strap and then they don't leak either.

Pat Mulry, TARP Racing #67

Mandatory disclaimer: all opinions expressed are mine alone & not those of 24HOL, its mgmt, sponsors, etc.

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

We use the coleman route as well and it doesn't leak.  I'm more curious to hear how people are securing the tubing to their shirts.  I used a 2nd layer of cut up tee shirt and didn't like the results.  I'm going to attempt to make a jig for my wife's sewing machine to help it stitch directly over the tube and hopefully not puncture it.

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

If its a decent machine it should be able to stitch over the tubing without any jig or attachments.  My wife looked at the FAST shirt and said  "My machine can stitch like that".

Ryan Jones
J4 Racing
BAM-Z-NO! Team Holdafone 1987 NA 300zx
Still looking to get into the top 50%.

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

Best price on the Engels Dryboxs that I have found...

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?pat … id=1691719

Daniel Sycks

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

No one should buy a cooler kit.  It's easy to make one, with all the correct fittings, that doesn't leak, that is as big or small as you'd like it (whether high capacity so you don't have to refill often or a specific cooler footprint to fit your car setup).  Anyone can follow the directions previously posted here and have a very high-functioning cooler kit (including external lines and insulation) for <$45.

The FAST/CoolShirt shirts, however, are pretty slick.   Their shirts, unlike the less expensive shirt listed a couple posts above and any shirt you're likely to build, use more cooling tubing, have two cooling circuits each front & back, have cooling lines above the chest and over the shoulders, are unlikely to kink in use and will wear just about like a normal t-shirt. 

I fabbed up two different designs of a cool shirt... also with the use of a 'fancy' sewing maching with 'fancy' stitching and the shirts were unwieldy to get into/out of, required a ton of adjusting once on the wearer and the tubing was prone to kinking - I tried 3 different kinds of tubing - different sizes, different wall thickness.  The shirts definitely would get you icy cold, but were such a pain the ass to use and/or would kink and a circuit(s) would stop flowing.

As many others who have gone the DIY route have learned... it's worth buying the shirt... it works very well in all regards and isn't that expensive; the cooler & plumbing is stupid simple to fab, will work as well if not better that the retail version and is considerably less expensive.

Despite poo-pooing a DIY shirt, I found it can work quite well if you're not in a racing seat and/or getting in/out of the shirt with any regularity.  As such, I'm using one of my DIY shirts with a DIY walkaround backpack cooler.  I'm taking the rig to Capitol Offense/Summit Point and Judge Phil - assuming the weather is compliant and the system holds up - will be wearing it all weekend.  Interestingly, the Honorable Judge Phil said he was only interested if it's totally hooptie-style.

Hooptie it will be my friends!

Speedycop/NSF Racing /Pinewood Dirtbags
'10 Summit, CMP3, Autobahn, '11 CMP1, NJMP, CMP2, Summit, G'man, Stafford, Charlotte, Autobahn, ECR '12 CMP1, NJMP, G'man, NHMS1, Summit, CMP2, NHMS2, ECR, '13 CMP1, ECR, Summit, NJMP, THill, CMP2, MSR, NHMS, Sears '14 Barber, Sears1, ECR, CMP1, NJMP1, BWillow, Sebring, CMP2, THill, Sears2, '15 Sears1, Barber, Ridge, THill, '16 Sears1

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

A true Lemons cool suit would just dump water on your head and return water to the cooler via shop vac fitting at the base of your un-padded kirkey seat.

Daniel Sycks

8 (edited by Mr. Wednesday 2011-05-13 09:57 PM)

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

DC Doug wrote:

No one should buy a cooler kit.  It's easy to make one, with all the correct fittings, that doesn't leak, that is as big or small as you'd like it (whether high capacity so you don't have to refill often or a specific cooler footprint to fit your car setup).  Anyone can follow the directions previously posted here and have a very high-functioning cooler kit (including external lines and insulation) for <$45.

It would have to be very bare-bones to get under $45.  A bilge pump will run nearly $20, two dry-break quick-disconnects will run near $12, and 10 ft of 3/8" tubing will run at least $5.  That doesn't allow for fittings, clamps, the 3/4" tube to get out of the bilge pump, and so on.

I'm in the process of speccing out my own system for our team.  I'm looking at the following:
$18 Bilge pump (already purchased)
$32 Multi-function switch with continuous on as well as one minute on and one, two, or three minutes off (already purchased)
$13.34 quick disconnects for connecting system to shirts
$2.34 quick disconnects for draining the system and/or the shirts
$28.46 through-wall fittings (could be omitted in favor of just running pipe or tube straight through)
~$8 for other fittings (tube-MNPT to connect to the through-walls)

All fittings are online-priced via McMaster-Carr.

That doesn't count what I've already spent on silicone sealer and tube clamps (somewhere between $5 and $10), nor what I'll have to spend on 10 or 20 ft of 3/8" ID tube (probably $6 to $12 at Lowe's) as well as a small length of 3/4" ID tube to get from the pump to a step-down fitting.  It also doesn't count a cooler, which was bequeathed to me by a teammate for transforming into the cool-suit cooler.

For all of that, it's still a bit cheaper than the kit that was pointed-to above, and less than half the price of buying a 24 qt system retail yikes.

#(1)75 (was #74) Dirt Cheap Racing (driver/wrench/cool suit cooler fabricator/accountant/substitute captain) - '88 Mustang turbo-4, in garish stickers over spray chrome!
2011 - Garrapatas (11th / 3rd in B), Heaps in the Heart of Texas (19th / 3rd in B)
2012 and 2013 - Lemons didn't fit into our schedule
2014 - Heaps in the Heart of Texas

9 (edited by Troy 2011-05-14 05:14 AM)

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

Let me clarify guys, Ultra Chillers DIY kit includes the cooler hardware and a shirt for $189!

I believe the Ultra Cool Shirt is zoned like a Cool Shirt and appears to use silicone hose like Cool and Fast and it is Hans compatible.

I bought a bunch of rubber hose to make a shirt plus fittings but never made one.  A shirt, 50ish feet of rubber hose and a shirt ain't cheap.

Ultra Chiller look like they have a great shirt and it's only $89, that's $50 less than Cool or Fast.

Troy

#35 LRE
1973 Datsun 240Z

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

Website is back up. Sorry for the downtime. You can always reach me by phone or email. BTW, I spent over a year and a half finding the right tubing for my shirts and vests. It stays flexible, provides more cooling, is more puncture resistant, and is field repairable. I believe my product is superior to the competition. Thanks, Chris

11 (edited by Troy 2011-06-06 12:35 PM)

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

Quick update and clarification.

Our Driver with the Ultra Chiller shirt showed up and it had male ends compatible with FAST shirts.  It needed female ends with metal catches. 

We swapped his to current Cool Shirt style connectors.

The shirts looks about like a Cool Shirt other than the way the 4 houses tie in to the main connector. 

It seemed to work just as well as our cool shirts.

Troy

#35 LRE
1973 Datsun 240Z

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

For those with an engineering bent there is some math in this post...

The shirt system will need to pull out pretty close to all of the heat generated by the driver at least during summer down south or you will have heat stroke issues fairly quickly.

At rest doing nothing a man consumes energy equal to about 100 watts.   Moderate effort, like dancing or racing fairly conservatively is closer to 250 watts and true exercise like sports or racing a manual steering ill handling beast is about 400 watts.   These are for your typical 185 pound male person, YMMV.

400 Watts for 1 hour will turn around 9 pounds of Ice into a bunch of warm water.  That's about the rate I use ice in the cool suit I run in the Dauphine but that car is all manual and fairly hard work to drive.

144 BTU to melt 1 LB ice, 144 BTU =~ 43 Watt Hours
400/43 = 9.3 pounds Ice melted

So with the heat gained from the car interior and me driving I need to dump about 400 watts continuously to stay cool.  Pretty close to what I see experimentally ( at 100 degrees air temp in Houston in July )

El Capitan de los Bastardos De Lemons
1993 Linco Mark Ate
1957 Renault Dauphine
Driver with LemonSpeed's V6 Mustang

Re: ATTENTION DIY Cool Shirt guys introducing Ultra Chiller

There's also some cooling to be had taking the water from 32 F up to, say, 60 F.  Admittedly, I'd expect that to be significantly less than the heat taken up by melting the ice.  Too, ideally, you'll never completely run out of ice, but we managed to screw that up a few times at MSR (twice when I was driving tongue).

#(1)75 (was #74) Dirt Cheap Racing (driver/wrench/cool suit cooler fabricator/accountant/substitute captain) - '88 Mustang turbo-4, in garish stickers over spray chrome!
2011 - Garrapatas (11th / 3rd in B), Heaps in the Heart of Texas (19th / 3rd in B)
2012 and 2013 - Lemons didn't fit into our schedule
2014 - Heaps in the Heart of Texas