Topic: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

Today we went out to our first open lapping day since painting the interior of our car and we found out the paint we used just isn't strong enough for the fury of our heel grinding into the floor.

http://i66.tinypic.com/8x4x9v.jpg

I did a quick search and found a couple of ready-made solutions.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RACE-RALLY-C … 1120493557

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nicoman-Perfor … B07DNHJR84

But not quite ready to jump into the pre-made solution...  do any of you have some suggestions on how to reinforce/protect the floor heel area?  (Heat is not a concern, at least I don't think it is - I did see that thread)

Here's the car from outside- almost ready for exterior paint!

http://i67.tinypic.com/o77psk.jpg

Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

Yep...don't worry about your paint.

Not an option?  Bedliner in a can.

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Use skateboard tape (basically sticky backed sandpaper).  5 races in our car and it is finally tearing thru in the heel area.  During the Road Atlanta monsoon, no driver complained about their foot slipping in the car. When your heel gets covered in oil (this is Lemons) it makes a big difference.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

I like the bedlinen in a can idea, give some texture, should last a while. Also have found on wet days the painted floor can be just super slippery, not helpful for getting out.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

Be sure to put some shark bite or sand in it. That stuff seems gripy but with driving shoes it can be real slippery when it’s wet.

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Second for grip tape. It's cheap and works well.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

bikejeff wrote:

I like the bedlinen in a can idea, give some texture, should last a while. Also have found on wet days the painted floor can be just super slippery, not helpful for getting out.

I've done this, and it lasts about 2 races then there is shiny metal peeking thru again.  We did buy a 12"x12" rubber diamond plate patterned adhesive tile at Harbor Freight for our first car.  It worked really well in it, but started to come up at some point in our other cars.  I think grip tape is the right idea here.

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I tried the abrasive stair tread tape./ We wore through it in a weekend. I use a nice piece of thin birch plywood for the floor now. It works well, insulates us from a hot floor and is a decent grip surface - even when wet. You can put some insulation under it also.

Ok, countdown for someone to tell me this is a terrible idea and it is going to burst into flames, kill me etc... Commencing countdown in 1, 2 3, ......

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The stair tread tape lasted 4 races for us and finally needs to be replaced.  For what it costs and how easy it is to install, we'll probably stick with that for now.

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Grip tape is meant to be abused to hell and back on a skateboard, have shoes dragged all over it, and keep together. That's why I picked it way back when. It really does hold up well. Just make sure the floor is CLEAN before you stick it down.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

I'd rather wear out the paint on the floor than the heel of my shoe.  That said, grip tape is probably the answer you are looking for.  If you are bored and like working with sheet-metal, heed the following:

I once built a formed-aluminum heel cup and riveted it just aft of the throttle pedal, also in a Miata.  It provided a positive stop and pretty much guaranteed repeatability of foot position.  It may have helped a little.  I guess.   It did put a cool shiny silver finish on the heel of my right boot.  No other car I've tracked had such a thing and I didn't notice the lack.

A well-positioned dead-pedal, however, is worth the effort.  I like mine to be basically level with the clutch pedal.  Gives a driver something to shove against while getting that lap belt extra-tight, and helps discourage clutch-riding.

Grip tape on the bulk of the driver-side floor is also a good idea.  I've had my feet slip during a wet race while trying to exit the car.  Shins, meet pedals.  Not fun.

Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

Greg S wrote:

Ok, countdown for someone to tell me this is a terrible idea and it is going to burst into flames, kill me etc... Commencing countdown in 1, 2 3, ......

This guy used plywood for his heel protection, too;)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MGxyDGhI4l0/maxresdefault.jpg
We use skate board grip tape. The stair tread tape doesn't seem to hold up as well.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

IMHO: Things happen fast out there so when it's not pushing the clutch pedal, my left foot is hovering over the brake pedal.




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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

DelinquentRacer wrote:
Greg S wrote:

Ok, countdown for someone to tell me this is a terrible idea and it is going to burst into flames, kill me etc... Commencing countdown in 1, 2 3, ......

This guy used plywood for his heel protection, too;)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MGxyDGhI4l0/maxresdefault.jpg
We use skate board grip tape. The stair tread tape doesn't seem to hold up as well.

Here's another guy that followed my advice.
https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlc2NpZW5jZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzA5MS83OTgvb3JpZ2luYWwvaGluZGVuYnVyZy1kaXNhc3Rlci0wMDEuanBn

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

-SDR- wrote:

IMHO: Things happen fast out there so when it's not pushing the clutch pedal, my left foot is hovering over the brake pedal.

If you're saying you would *never* use a dead pedal, I would say you're unnecessarily fatiguing your left leg by holding it over the brake pedal when you don't need to. Every race and ever track has spots where it's reasonable to rest your foot on the dead pedal.

No to mention the benefits of pushing your ass back in the seat to tighten belts, or hold yourself steady in sharp transitions,  or possibly slide the seat back.

I finally made a deal pedal for my car after 5 or 6 races without it and it is so nice, I'm mad I didnt do it before.

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aventari wrote:
-SDR- wrote:

IMHO: Things happen fast out there so when it's not pushing the clutch pedal, my left foot is hovering over the brake pedal.

If you're saying you would *never* use a dead pedal, I would say you're unnecessarily fatiguing your left leg by holding it over the brake pedal when you don't need to. Every race and ever track has spots where it's reasonable to rest your foot on the dead pedal.

No to mention the benefits of pushing your ass back in the seat to tighten belts, or hold yourself steady in sharp transitions,  or possibly slide the seat back.

I finally made a deal pedal for my car after 5 or 6 races without it and it is so nice, I'm mad I didnt do it before.

The floor is still in my car for when I need to push my but into the seat, and I don't need a dead pedal to do that.

If someone needs to use their left leg/foot to hold themselves in the seat during the race then the seat and/or the belts are not proper for racing. I would strongly suggest getting that resolved over using a dead pedal.

I have yet to have problem with fatigue, even in 2.5+ hour stints.  Might have something to do with my physical fitness, or my car set up (most likely the car set up).


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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

If you need more than one arm and one leg to race, you’re trying too hard. Torqueflite lyfe yo

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

-SDR- wrote:
aventari wrote:
-SDR- wrote:

IMHO: Things happen fast out there so when it's not pushing the clutch pedal, my left foot is hovering over the brake pedal.

If you're saying you would *never* use a dead pedal, I would say you're unnecessarily fatiguing your left leg by holding it over the brake pedal when you don't need to. Every race and ever track has spots where it's reasonable to rest your foot on the dead pedal.

No to mention the benefits of pushing your ass back in the seat to tighten belts, or hold yourself steady in sharp transitions,  or possibly slide the seat back.

I finally made a deal pedal for my car after 5 or 6 races without it and it is so nice, I'm mad I didnt do it before.

The floor is still in my car for when I need to push my but into the seat, and I don't need a dead pedal to do that.

If someone needs to use their left leg/foot to hold themselves in the seat during the race then the seat and/or the belts are not proper for racing. I would strongly suggest getting that resolved over using a dead pedal.

I have yet to have problem with fatigue, even in 2.5+ hour stints.  Might have something to do with my physical fitness, or my car set up (most likely the car set up).


We've been racing our cars w/o a dead pedal since 2007.  Never even noticed car's with or without.  My left foot simply sits on the floor when not in use.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

There are really solid ergonomic reasons for a deadpedal. It helps set your hip so the busy leg can have more precision and a fixed pivot point. It's like how you set your pinkie finger down to do fine paint or detail line work. Short of bolts, you can't strap in hard enough to keep your pelvis from articulating as you move your legs.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

Thanks for the suggestions!  I think we're leaning toward the skate tape.

Interesting convo about the dead pedal.  We left it out for one open lapping day and missed it dearly!  I feel like it's a necessity!

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The skate grip tape is strong stuff, but the soles of race shoes are usually very thin, so I went for something non-abrasive.

It's hard to find and can be expensive in some places. On mcmaster or amazon you can get this nonabrasive antislip vinyl plastic tape, aka. 3M Safety-Walk 310. It's like the mineral/glass coated skate grip tape, except the grip texture is rubbery and won't wear away your shoes.

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gus wrote:

The skate grip tape is strong stuff, but the soles of race shoes are usually very thin, so I went for something non-abrasive.

It's hard to find and can be expensive in some places. On mcmaster or amazon you can get this nonabrasive antislip vinyl plastic tape, aka. 3M Safety-Walk 310. It's like the mineral/glass coated skate grip tape, except the grip texture is rubbery and won't wear away your shoes.

I like the idea of preventing unnecessary wear on safety equipment like the shoes.

Product detail for the 3M Safety-Walk 310 indicates it includes a mineral compound. Perhaps it is better sealed _into_ the tape as opposed to adhered on top.

U-line has several additional options for step tape. I have not purchased any of them, I merely suggest it as a resource.

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Don't worry too much about the shoes. Technically you should be chucking them every couple years because SFI doesn't like risk anymore.

Also the upper near my laces died before my heel wore out so....

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Guildenstern wrote:

Don't worry too much about the shoes. Technically you should be chucking them every couple years because SFI doesn't like risk anymore.

Also the upper near my laces died before my heel wore out so....

you must have different shoes. Because mine always wear the soles like crazy just from the minimal walking around I do in them for things like fueling. I swear the soles on most of them are designed to vanish on their own.

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Re: Floor Heel Contact Point Protection

I have G-force Pro Series. But I always kill all shoes at the lacing holes if they don't have super high quality eyelets and usually right below it if they do. Also we always Fill at the pump because Forget having to suit up all the damn time.

Also SFI tag on the Tongue, worst thing ever.

Edit: Matter of fact SFI is getting right on my nerves basically everywhere lately.

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