Suggested rule change concerning fueling (Page 2 of 4)

Yup, as well as OE hoods REQUIRED, which I think is a good (and fair) move.

How long before Eyesore uses a 1950's Ford pick up truck hood to cover the ghettocharging?  That'd look awesome.

Ok here's my gripe about this rule. My team uses a 100 gallon, pick up bed mounted, diesel tank that is used to fill up tractors. We just drain the diesel and fill it with gas before the race. We are using the same nozel that is used at the gas pump so what is the difference? We have not spilled 1 drop yet and have used it for 8 races and this last race fueled two cars all weekend with it.
This rule was made to save people money right? Well i know that the fuel pumps at the track will fill up a car one hell of a lot faster than using 5 gallon jugs so now the person with the most money (can afford to buy their gas at the track at a sky high price) has the advantage rather than the dirt farmer who is trying to save money by filling his dot approved fueling rig with gas at home where it is reasonable. I know we will still be filling our 100 gallon tank and 55 gallon drums only now we will be transfering it an extra time by putting it into 5 gallon jugs, which is yet another time the fuel is being moved thus another possablility for a spill.
Why not make it to where if you have a fuel rig you must state so while going through tech so it can also be inspected for safety. This would solve all the problems.

I'm sure Jay and his advisors thought long and hard about this issue and the risk of some unsafe rig spilling dozens of gallons of fuel all over the tarmac is just too risky. Also using just 5 gallon jugs is cheaper and eliminates the risk of some unsafe home built fueling rig. Jay has always said he doesn't want Lemons to get too serious with costs increasing to run Lemons. I suppose fueling rigs are just too serious. I like the rule, it's cheaper and keeps everyone equal.

Exactly. I can't even find an applicable FIA certification for this kind of implement. Not sure that any of the SFI regs apply either.

I emailed Nick this afternoon regarding the Hunsaker 5-gallon jugs.  I'll post the response when I get it.

Pop on over to the sticky post about the rules changes and you'll see all your questions are answered.

Here is Jay's direct response if you dont have the motivation to click over to the other thread.

"The purpose of the rule is to have people use 5-gallon (or smaller) fuel jugs. If it's 5 gallons or smaller, and it was made in a real factory by a real business, and it's sold to real people at real stores for the express purpose of carrying real fuel, it's OK. It's a 5-gallon goddamn fuel jug: You don't need to be Supreme Court Judge Potter Steward to know it when you see it."

"If it's an old cider jug, then it's not frickin' OK. If you add a pump, or a siphon, or put it on a rack, or do anything else that you think is incredibly clever, it's not OK. We want you pouring your fuel into your fuel tank from 5-gallon fuel jugs that you lifted by hand. Please get on with your life now."

yeah, the wording's still a bit of a gray area, including his reply. many of the new carb-approved cans have these horrifying push valves with soda-straw pour nozzles. I've seen many people grab the VP-style jugs and attach heater hoses to the cap so they can run it down the filler neck and pour with lowered risk. I'm sure Jay's getting annoyed by the onslaught of questions but the spirit of the rule; the "hand-pour, gravity-fed, 5-gallon jug" would still be intact for a jug with an 'improved nozzle' and modified venting. I think THAT specifically would make/brake this rule for many people.

How about this one?
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/80221/10002/-1?CT=999

Heck, what am I worried about? We don't even have a working motor in the car...

I doubt there is a single 5-gallon jug available that doesn't hold slightly more than 5-gallons.  Since there is no official "certification" for fuel jugs by the race sanctioning bodies named, I'd say that Jay's email is pretty clear:  use a commercial fuel jug that's listed as "5 gallons", hold it when you're pouring from it using only gravity.  I'd say larger vent hoses, larger pour hoses, etc. are all OK as long as they don't leak.  Compressed air, not OK.  It doesn't need to be that complicated.

Yeah, god forbid *I'm* the voice of reason around here.

Hey, I'm all for looking for loopholes and exploiting them to my advantage, but I never thought we'd quibble about fueling.  Get the fuel in the car and get back on the track.  If anyone was gonna work on a way around fueling I though folks would be looking for ways to increase the fuel capacity of the vehicle on the sly ala the old fuel stored in the roll cage trick (dont try this one at home kids)

But as its been said time and time again, all the go fast do things quicker cheats in the world aren't going to win this for you.  Bringing the weirdest car you can find wins it....unless you care about overall laps then reliability and consistency are the key