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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

williamggruff wrote:

I’m a team member of the BMW 2002 that rolled down the hill Saturday morning. We’d love to see video of the incident if anyone has it. Our driver says he was rear ended in the driver’s rear quarter panel—so hard that it bent the rear wheel and axle so that it toed out by 25°—by a green V8 Miata. The hit and resulting damage to the rear suspension knocked the car off track between turn 4 and the flag station above the bowl. The car skidded down the hill, caught a wheel and barrel rolled twice. The chassis is toast, main hoop in the cage bent, rear subframe, several wheels, CV axle, other suspension parts, windshield, and a few other parts were destroyed. Driver walked away from the incident, but was unsurprisingly quite sore for a few days.

According to what Lemons organizers told us, the Miata driver didn’t self report the incident, nor did he or his team visit the medical center to check on the driver of the car their teammate sent off track, causing a red flag incident. Lemons apparently revoked the offending driver’s driver privileges later in the day, and gave the team an hour penalty. That seems like a very gentle slap on the wrist for behavior that falls well outside the sprit of Lemons.

I'm glad everyone was ok, I was wondering about that. Sorry to hear about your car. Priority number one for everyone should be avoiding contact and keeping the track green with some yellow sprinkled in because Lemons. Racers gon' race I guess.

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stano316 wrote:

Wow, this thread is really getting some attention!

This race finished our 3rd season with the truck. We started in C, and by the end of last season we were placed into B.  But honestly when we started we had no idea what we were getting into....We got onto the track at Thompson with a wood bed and 28" All Terrain tires!  We learned real quick what was going on, and what you need to do to be competitive. One of them being...just turn laps....you don't have to be the fastest, but you do need to be out there.   I think our truck  put out the 70th fastest lap of the race at 1:31 or so...nothing spectacular, far from it.

On our team we know for the most part who is in what class and who are competition is, and speaking for myself, and not the rest of my team, I may or may not just let someone by because they are faster, or in the lead, or just being outright aggressive.  But sometimes I do. If your car and driver is that good you'll get around me.  I'm not saying Im going to put someone into a wall.  But, I don't have a back seat with Miss Daisy in it going to Sunday brunch, so Im not letting everyone and their mother get the wave by.  It is racing! There is a very clear winner, and lots of losers! If you are that good to get first, then you've overcome slow cars, traffic, active blockers, aggressive drivers, etc...

With all of that being said, we will help anyone out!  We were 4 laps behind the Altimate Warriors, and they came in off the track, and stopped by chance in front of our garage with an issue, they ran over asking for a 10 mm wrench to fix something, and we gladly helped. We joked only if they gave up a lap of course.  That happened a few times during the race with other teams.  And we always lend our tools out, to help out a team.  I think that is one of the best parts of Lemons, almost everyone is willing to help the next team out.

You realize that by "racing" with a car that's faster than you, it makes both of you slower.  Maybe race them for a few turns, then let them by and try to stay with them.  You'll learn why they are faster than you, and it may make you faster.

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

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Off track we try to pay back all the help we've gotten along the way. Need a tool? a part? a beer at the end of the day? ask, we'll do what we can, because so many others have done the same. I think it was last year at NHMS we were really close to the bright ideas yellow truck in the standings, it would come down to their last pit stop who finished better. Then they came in with broken wheel studs and we were immediately over there seeing if they needed help (which apparently no, they fixed that issue amazingly fast). The community is what makes Lemons awesome and why I enjoy coming back so much.

Same here.  We've helped, and been helped, more times than I can count.

After we failed tech at Barber due to something with our exhaust, we had a team stop by and saw what we needed, brought us a welder, and an even an exhaust hanger to get it fixed.  We got it done, and were able to pass tech early Saturday morning.

About an hour in the race, I was watching from atop the timing tower as I see my car off into the grass on the front straight.  Turns out the left front hub failed, but no worries we had an entire spindle ready to go.  We break out the tools and get to it only to discover we had a complete RIGHT side spindle ready, not the LEFT, which is the one that failed.  Well f*ck me!  On our car the bearing has to be pressed out of the spindle, and we barely have room for the stuff we bring, much less room for anything like a press. As it happened, the same team (Lemons Police) that helped us with the exhaust, in fact had a press, took the time to help us get everything swapped, and got us back out into the race!

We were all so grateful because we are from NC, and AL isn't exactly right next door, so if we couldn't get it fixed, we're hosed and on the way home.  They didn't mind of course, and were more than happy to help, but we felt like some payback for the favor was in order.  I had my wife go into town and get their team $100.00 worth of gift cards to Outback Steakhouse so they could enjoy some steak on us.  I hope we can pay it forward whenever possible.

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stano316 wrote:

Wow, this thread is really getting some attention!

This race finished our 3rd season with the truck. We started in C, and by the end of last season we were placed into B.  But honestly when we started we had no idea what we were getting into....We got onto the track at Thompson with a wood bed and 28" All Terrain tires!  We learned real quick what was going on, and what you need to do to be competitive. One of them being...just turn laps....you don't have to be the fastest, but you do need to be out there.   I think our truck  put out the 70th fastest lap of the race at 1:31 or so...nothing spectacular, far from it.

On our team we know for the most part who is in what class and who are competition is, and speaking for myself, and not the rest of my team, I may or may not just let someone by because they are faster, or in the lead, or just being outright aggressive.  But sometimes I do. If your car and driver is that good you'll get around me.  I'm not saying Im going to put someone into a wall.  But, I don't have a back seat with Miss Daisy in it going to Sunday brunch, so Im not letting everyone and their mother get the wave by.  It is racing! There is a very clear winner, and lots of losers! If you are that good to get first, then you've overcome slow cars, traffic, active blockers, aggressive drivers, etc...

With all of that being said, we will help anyone out!  We were 4 laps behind the Altimate Warriors, and they came in off the track, and stopped by chance in front of our garage with an issue, they ran over asking for a 10 mm wrench to fix something, and we gladly helped. We joked only if they gave up a lap of course.  That happened a few times during the race with other teams.  And we always lend our tools out, to help out a team.  I think that is one of the best parts of Lemons, almost everyone is willing to help the next team out.

You realize that by "racing" with a car that's faster than you, it makes both of you slower.  Maybe race them for a few turns, then let them by and try to stay with them.  You'll learn why they are faster than you, and it may make you faster.

That is what I used to do in the Rover. Let the pack of fast cars go by and then play follow the leader for a bit

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

chaase wrote:
Sir Thomas Crapper wrote:
stano316 wrote:

Wow, this thread is really getting some attention!

This race finished our 3rd season with the truck. We started in C, and by the end of last season we were placed into B.  But honestly when we started we had no idea what we were getting into....We got onto the track at Thompson with a wood bed and 28" All Terrain tires!  We learned real quick what was going on, and what you need to do to be competitive. One of them being...just turn laps....you don't have to be the fastest, but you do need to be out there.   I think our truck  put out the 70th fastest lap of the race at 1:31 or so...nothing spectacular, far from it.

On our team we know for the most part who is in what class and who are competition is, and speaking for myself, and not the rest of my team, I may or may not just let someone by because they are faster, or in the lead, or just being outright aggressive.  But sometimes I do. If your car and driver is that good you'll get around me.  I'm not saying Im going to put someone into a wall.  But, I don't have a back seat with Miss Daisy in it going to Sunday brunch, so Im not letting everyone and their mother get the wave by.  It is racing! There is a very clear winner, and lots of losers! If you are that good to get first, then you've overcome slow cars, traffic, active blockers, aggressive drivers, etc...

With all of that being said, we will help anyone out!  We were 4 laps behind the Altimate Warriors, and they came in off the track, and stopped by chance in front of our garage with an issue, they ran over asking for a 10 mm wrench to fix something, and we gladly helped. We joked only if they gave up a lap of course.  That happened a few times during the race with other teams.  And we always lend our tools out, to help out a team.  I think that is one of the best parts of Lemons, almost everyone is willing to help the next team out.

You realize that by "racing" with a car that's faster than you, it makes both of you slower.  Maybe race them for a few turns, then let them by and try to stay with them.  You'll learn why they are faster than you, and it may make you faster.

That is what I used to do in the Rover. Let the pack of fast cars go by and then play follow the leader for a bit


Im not saying I actively block, I take the line I want to take, if the car behind me wants to get by, then "they" need to figure out a way to get around me, if they can good for them, if not, don't get aggressive with me.  I have purposefully lets car by before to hang out right behind them for many laps, I rather chase then have the pressure on me to stay in front, but that's also a personal preference.

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

Generally speaking: HQ is aware that this was an ugly, aggressive race and that the Penalty Box response will be commensurate carrying forward into next year's East races. The driver's meeting(s) at Gingerman from Jay were a learning experience for me, actually, and the short version of it goes like this: "No IMSA scouts are coming to Lemons races to pick you up to race at Daytona, so you don't need to race like an asshole the way that gets rewarded in every other racing series in the world. If you want to race like an asshole, go sign up to race like an asshole somewhere else because assholes have no place here."

So, that's what I'm carrying with me to my next race and beyond.


Sonic wrote:

Fast lap is often not as clear an indicator as we might like.  For example when we had fast lap at Thompson with the civic, it was because we had a clear track and cool tires after a red flag and the 2 lead cars pushing each other, no other lap was within a second.  At NH this time, we had a 1:22.8 but on several cleaner traffic laps my telemetry was saying I was 2 seconds ahead of the 1:22.8 pace by the time I was at the treehouse and ran into traffic I couldn’t cleanly pass.   

It is cumbersome but maybe a mean of the fastest laps of the top 20 or 50 cars would probably be a bit more insightful.

This is a good take. Fastest lap doesn't mean quickest car. What you'd really probably want to find is mean, median, and mode (to the tenth of a second) for the whole field and then compare them year over year. Am I going to do that? Nah, probably not. I'm a little slow on updating things from this block of races, but if someone wants to, I'll send them the info I have.

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If you have the data, Ill do the analysis. Data is my thing.


therood wrote:
Sonic wrote:

Fast lap is often not as clear an indicator as we might like.  For example when we had fast lap at Thompson with the civic, it was because we had a clear track and cool tires after a red flag and the 2 lead cars pushing each other, no other lap was within a second.  At NH this time, we had a 1:22.8 but on several cleaner traffic laps my telemetry was saying I was 2 seconds ahead of the 1:22.8 pace by the time I was at the treehouse and ran into traffic I couldn’t cleanly pass.   

It is cumbersome but maybe a mean of the fastest laps of the top 20 or 50 cars would probably be a bit more insightful.

This is a good take. Fastest lap doesn't mean quickest car. What you'd really probably want to find is mean, median, and mode (to the tenth of a second) for the whole field and then compare them year over year. Am I going to do that? Nah, probably not. I'm a little slow on updating things from this block of races, but if someone wants to, I'll send them the info I have.

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

Here is a first crack at some data analysis. I downloaded the top 15 finishers from NHMS (Saturday only) in 2013 and 2019 (my first and most recent race).

As others have said, just looking at the fast lap of the weekend isn't necessarily a good indicator of the overall speediness of the field. Maybe there were a lot more yellow flags in one weekend, maybe that (one) really fast car wasn't there, etc. Lots of variables and no two races (even at the same location) are going to be the same.

Anyway, just based on this small sample, it appears that the NH race (as an example) did get a bit faster over the last 7 years.

https://i.postimg.cc/9QGG9GpM/Stats.png

When I calculated the stats, I arbitrarily chose to ignore any lap time above 2 minutes, assuming that those would be yellow flags, pit stops, etc.

https://i.postimg.cc/xC7khCRh/NHMS-Lap-Times.png

I didn't include the standard deviation, but looking at the histograms, it definately appears that the distribution of lap times has less variability in 2019 vs 2013. The fast and average laps may have gotten a little bit faster, but there are fewer of the 'slower' laps. So while there is not a dramatic increase in the fastest laps, it appears that everyone (at least the top finishers) is getting more consistent. I guess that kinka makes sense as there were many team names that appeared in both years, and everyone is benefiting from getting more seat time (as well as any increase in cheatiness).

Eric - is there an easy way to get ALL the data from a particular race(s)? I had to manually download each team from mylaps and it was a PITA...

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

Any data on lap times correlated by class?

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RSB wrote:

Eric - is there an easy way to get ALL the data from a particular race(s)? I had to manually download each team from mylaps and it was a PITA...

If there is, I don't know about it. MyLaps isn't exactly user-friendly.

For what it's worth, those charts are about what I would have expected to see: There are few very slow cars in the Northeast at the moment. The curve is pretty similar until the right half of the 2019 distribution.

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Data drop:

I used 2014-2018 NJMP, since 2019 was raced on a different track, I also used the best times, as those were the easiest to get from mylaps for the whole field. There is no significant difference in laptimes or speed between 2014 and 2018.

WAG time; there is an increasing amount of entries, and the number of B cars is growing while A cars are shrinking. In addition, the distribution of laptimes and speeds (at least in A and B class) is looking as if its becoming bimodal, the fast people and not-fast people. This might be why the average laptimes and speeds, as well as the standard deviation, does not change year on year, but gives the perception of an increase in speed creep.

Now how do I get the images to be viewable on here?

https://imgur.com/1Z7vvvg

https://imgur.com/6WsCS2n

https://imgur.com/9LBW1Ya

https://imgur.com/sGO1LsI

https://imgur.com/qg6a50l

https://imgur.com/8uYxRWZ

https://imgur.com/Q2gSCYd

https://imgur.com/b9t6k1J

https://imgur.com/zyFcrJG

https://imgur.com/xTeDpCX

https://imgur.com/nstmkcB

https://imgur.com/UXRO2CT

https://imgur.com/OlK48XW

https://imgur.com/dilorrl

https://imgur.com/ArrRJWe

https://imgur.com/lRz02sD

https://imgur.com/AIfdMvk

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TR7 wrote:

Data drop:

I used 2014-2018 NJMP, since 2019 was raced on a different track, I also used the best times, as those were the easiest to get from mylaps for the whole field. There is no significant difference in laptimes or speed between 2014 and 2018.

WAG time; there is an increasing amount of entries, and the number of B cars is growing while A cars are shrinking. In addition, the distribution of laptimes and speeds (at least in A and B class) is looking as if its becoming bimodal, the fast people and not-fast people. This might be why the average laptimes and speeds, as well as the standard deviation, does not change year on year, but gives the perception of an increase in speed creep.

Now how do I get the images to be viewable on here?

https://imgur.com/1Z7vvvg

https://imgur.com/6WsCS2n

https://imgur.com/9LBW1Ya

https://imgur.com/sGO1LsI

https://imgur.com/qg6a50l

https://imgur.com/8uYxRWZ

https://imgur.com/Q2gSCYd

https://imgur.com/b9t6k1J

https://imgur.com/zyFcrJG

https://imgur.com/xTeDpCX

https://imgur.com/nstmkcB

https://imgur.com/UXRO2CT

https://imgur.com/OlK48XW

https://imgur.com/dilorrl

https://imgur.com/ArrRJWe

https://imgur.com/lRz02sD

https://imgur.com/AIfdMvk

Click the "img" button in the editor and then put the web JPG address (not the imgur address) between the brackets.

[ img ] http://imgur.com/BlahBlahBlah.jpg [ /img ] but without spaces in it.

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TR7 wrote:

Data drop:

I used 2014-2018 NJMP, since 2019 was raced on a different track, I also used the best times, as those were the easiest to get from mylaps for the whole field. There is no significant difference in laptimes or speed between 2014 and 2018.

WAG time; there is an increasing amount of entries, and the number of B cars is growing while A cars are shrinking. In addition, the distribution of laptimes and speeds (at least in A and B class) is looking as if its becoming bimodal, the fast people and not-fast people. This might be why the average laptimes and speeds, as well as the standard deviation, does not change year on year, but gives the perception of an increase in speed creep.


Fixed up your post so the graphs show.
https://imgur.com/1Z7vvvg.png

https://imgur.com/6WsCS2n.png

https://imgur.com/9LBW1Ya.png

https://imgur.com/sGO1LsI.png

https://imgur.com/qg6a50l.png

https://imgur.com/8uYxRWZ.png

https://imgur.com/Q2gSCYd.png

https://imgur.com/b9t6k1J.png

https://imgur.com/zyFcrJG.png

https://imgur.com/xTeDpCX.png

https://imgur.com/nstmkcB.png

https://imgur.com/UXRO2CT.png

https://imgur.com/OlK48XW.png

https://imgur.com/dilorrl.png

https://imgur.com/ArrRJWe.png

https://imgur.com/lRz02sD.png

https://imgur.com/AIfdMvk.png

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because it's from imgur. you have to add .png to the end of the url before adding the img tag (or whatever photo format they happen to be)

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TheEngineer wrote:

because it's from imgur. you have to add .png to the end of the url before adding the img tag (or whatever photo format they happen to be)

It required the .png extension

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chaase wrote:
TheEngineer wrote:

because it's from imgur. you have to add .png to the end of the url before adding the img tag (or whatever photo format they happen to be)

It required the .png extension


Thanks! Appreciated.

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That's very cool.

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I lied.

https://i.imgur.com/2e3QDO7.jpg

Quick and dirty analysis from me:

- Fastest cars are about the same as they've been for a couple years.
- There are probably fewer laptime outliers (Slow-Ass Class C cars)
- One would expect there to be a general year-over-year improvement in average lap times as people get better at racing. Without doing a lot of these kinds of analysis, it's hard to know what is abnormal, but the jump in the fastest laps of the entire field by 1.8 seconds is probably (significantly) beyond the normal improvement.

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Also worth noting:

- The overall fastest lap is often an outlier. The Motionsick Volkswagen that has a 3,000-millimeter turbo (at least it looks like it) on it has run the fast lap for most of these races. Those guys aren't remotely attempting to win a race and I don't know if they've ever finished Saturday without nuking a turbo or worse, but the fast laps are a byproduct of what they want to do in Lemons (Build something totally stupid and ridiculous, go fast, put it away when they're tired and/or blow it up).

- The second-place car at NHMS was the #99 Solara, which was the 53rd-quickest car of the weekend and they only finished 5 laps (~7.5 minutes) behind.

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therood wrote:

Also worth noting:

- The overall fastest lap is often an outlier. The Motionsick Volkswagen that has a 3,000-millimeter turbo (at least it looks like it) on it has run the fast lap for most of these races. Those guys aren't remotely attempting to win a race and I don't know if they've ever finished Saturday without nuking a turbo or worse, but the fast laps are a byproduct of what they want to do in Lemons (Build something totally stupid and ridiculous, go fast, put it away when they're tired and/or blow it up).

- The second-place car at NHMS was the #99 Solara, which was the 53rd-quickest car of the weekend and they only finished 5 laps (~7.5 minutes) behind.

I think these two data points have always applied. The first one a little less, since it's often a bounce between example listed or just a clean lap from a car in the top 10. But the second point, that one has always applied to Lemons. Fast pit stops and clean driving get you far.

Also, thank you to whatever powers started limiting NH entry lists a little bit. I remember the 130 car weekend, backing off to 115 and under is the right call there.

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

Was all this put into a spreadsheet by hand?  Wow.  Cool info.

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

TeamLemon-aid wrote:

Was all this put into a spreadsheet by hand?  Wow.  Cool info.

I have a spreadsheet with the results of every race. When I worked in a stupid office job, I had an absolute glut of time and dug up/labeled everything by hand because what else was I going to do with my time? Work? Pfffft.

It took like six months back in 2012 and 2013, I think. Then I've just updated it every couple months since then. Pulling data like this isn't easy because I'm still mediocre at Excel, but the chart I made took 20 minutes or so.

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

Nice

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

At one point in time someone pulled a bunch of race results together and figured out a useful metric: "The index of doing something right".  It boiled down to ratio of laps completed versus fast lap.  The metric might have used a loaded average of fast laps, I can't recall.  Someone out west figured it out.  It basically identifies teams who have objectively slower cars that are finishing comparatively well.  The Solara would be a good example of this metric in action, I suspect.

At the time (this was a few years ago) I wanted to run the metric across a bunch of races to see which teams had their crap together, but might not be knocking down the door of a win yet.  I had a theory that class C winners would likely top the list.  The data collection was far too manual for my taste and I forgot about it until now.

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Re: New Hampshire race: good videos? opinions? praise or criticism?

I'm like 90 percent sure that was one of the Dirty Duck guys.

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