Limiting Speed Creep - Formalizing Penalty Laps? (Page 2 of 3)

Quote for truth.  Only 22 cars that race I think.

We have the fast lap time in the Lemons race at Texas World Speedway in 2012 of a 2:02! That was 100% that driver and I don't think a Chump/Champ Car ever beat that. It was faster than most WRL cars too but I think the Boxsters beat that. No one else in my car has ever come close to that lap time we're maybe 2:07ish.

We were pretty active with WRL up to 2017 between my car and my Frank's 240Z. Our last WRL race was the 3rd and actual Final Checker at TWS where we finished 2nd in GP2 with Frank's 240Z. Lower car counts probably accommodate for more speed but somehow there is more contact. Since that race Frank fixed all the body damage on his car. Now we don't feel like we'd be competitive and don't want to risk the body damage so we're focused on racing my car with Lemons.

you can't compare lap times at a Champ event with Lemons. Lemons there are 100+ on the track. It is WAY harder to compete with a Lemons car in Champ than the other way around. The reason for more contact is Champ is more aggressive and 90% of the cars are fast. Not bashing either series. This is our old 84 305 Trans Am (RIP) this car was one of the fastest at Lemons events but mid-pack at a Champ/Chump event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZHzZYXhJQ&t=254s

Have you run in Chump/Champ lately? You want to talk about Speed creep. The points have been dropped to almost nothing. Our car was around 480 in 2014-15. The same car now w/ intake and carb is around 400.

No, I have never raced in Chump. I was pointing out that I believe Lemons fast lap at Texas World Speedway from 2012 may be faster than any Chump race there. WRL did beat it high dollar Boxsters.

WRL is quite fast today, some is the cars and a lot may be the reduced traffic. Yesterdays race at MSR had fast laps in the 1:40s across the field but only 25 cars.

Agreed, we are faster than a LOT of the field in Lemons with a much greater differential than many other organizations. We don't run into people or get run into.

I don't think speed differentials are the problem. If other organizations actually enforced their contact rules like Lemons, there would be less contact.

I was at the Champ race at Laguna Seca, and what they say is NO CONTACT.  But they understand that minor incidental contact can happen and essentially no harm, no foul.  The miatas guys are used to running bumper to bumper like nascar, so they bump each other.

I'm not too worried about speed and budget creep at the pointy end.  It seems the judges only scrutinize budgets for fast cars.  I think it works fairly well.  They've certainly never scrutinized my budget.  We have a middle of the road B class car, and we have gotten better at this during our 11 races or so. So we've gone from finishing barely in the top half to the top quarter when we don't break.
BUT...

I do think there is room for improvement.  My complaint is that B and C class are way way too inclusive.  I do not believe I have been in a race where there were fewer than 3 B class cars in the overall top 10 (out of 150 or more).  We have also never been in a race in which our B class car beat all the C class cars.  I think the classing is off when you have to finish in the top 10 overall to have a shot at a B class win and the top 15-20 overall to have a shot at the C class win.

We have done VIR twice w/o incident... one of my fave tracks. Meanwhile we have been hit twice at Lemons in NJMP (by the same car no less in the same spot)

2 times same spot same team 2 different races. ratty 300zx maybe 280

What about the numbnutz who try to be as fast as the top of the pack and just end up crashing other drivers out because they don't know how to drive a fast car, but bought one anyways because that's how you "win Lemons" and/or "That's how other racing brand the car was built for races."?

Can you hear from the people who are victims of them?

What about the Joyless Paddock hogs who never participate in the evening, eat up all the space around their paddock, hide their car overnight while they eff off to the hotel before sunset, generally fowl either the hot pit or the paddock lanes with a miss parked car and 5 or 6 people trying to stumblebum their way through a quick driver change, And clog up the airways with constant jibber like a NASCAR spotter (some times with a garbage chinese radio leaking signal all over the channel band) all so they can still end up in the lower half of the top ten behind a Class B car, or again crash out and take collateral damage with them?

Can you hear from the people who have to park next to them all weekend?

I just want to know what we are or aren't allowed to say in your presence about this.

I haven't seen an E90 3 series yet!