Topic: Lemons Wish List - Everything Eric Has On a List

Ehhhhhhh, no sense in teasing it. People ask what's on it regularly. Here it is and at least 98 percent of it was sold in North America, if in incredibly small numbers in some cases.

Acura Vigor
Acura ZDX
Allstate
AMC Ambassador
AMC Concord
AMC/Renault Encore
AMC Spirit/Gremlin w/Audi 2.0L
AMC Rebel (Rambler/Nash)
Audi A8
Audi Fox (1st Gen)
Audi V8
Austin A40
Austin Princess
Austin-Healey 3000
Bentley (Any)
BMW (Pre-1600/2002)
Bristol
Buick Apollo
Buick Century (RWD)
Buick Century (FWD, last-gen)
Buick Electra
Buick Estate
Buick Rendezvous
Buick Riviera
Buick Skylark (FWD)
Buick Somerset
Buick Sportwagon
Buick Straight-8
Chevy Celebrity
Chevy Corsica Hatch
Chevy Lumina Euro
Chevy Lumina Z34
Chevy Malibu Maxx
Chevy Tracker
Chrysler Fifth Avenue
Citroen AMI-6
Daewoo Lanos
Daihatsu Rocky
Daimler (Any)
Datsun 610
Datsun 710
Datsun 810
Datsun F-10
Delorean
DeSoto
Deutsch-Bonnet
DKW
Dodge Challenger (Malaise Era)
Dodge Colt (1971-1974)
Dodge D50
Dodge D100
Dodge Journey
Dodge Magnum (B-Body)
Dodge Magnum (Wagon)
Dodge Monaco (Eagle Premier)
Dodge Nitro
Dodge St. Regis
Eagle Summit
Eagle Vista
Eagle Vista Wagon
Eagle/Renault Medallion
Ferrari (Any)
Fiat Strada
Ford Aerostar
Ford Consul
Ford Country Squire
Ford Escort Diesel
Ford Fairlane Ranchero
Ford Five Hundred
Ford Maverick
Ford Prefect
Ford Taunus
Ford Taurus X
Ford Tempo Diesel
Frazer
Geo Prizm Hatch
Geo Spectrum
Geo Storm Hatch
Glas
GM J-Body Hatchback
Goliath
Hillman Husky
Hillman Minx
Honda Prelude, 1st Gen
Humber Hawk
Hyundai Sonata (1989-1993)
IH Pickup
Infiniti M30
Isuzu Bellel
Jaguar S-Type
Jeep Commander
Jeep Compass
Jeep Patriot
Jeep Pickup (J-10, etc.)
Kaiser
Kia Sportage
Lamborghini (Any)
Lancia Beta
Lancia Flavia
Lancia Fulvia
Lancia Zagato
Lincoln LS
Lincoln Mark VI
Lotus Elan M100
Maserati Khamsin
Maserati Merak
Mazda GLC
Mazda Millenia
Mazda R100
Mazda REPU
Mazda RX-4
Mercury Comet
Mercury Cyclone
Mercury LN7
Mercury Lynx
Mercury Monarch
Mercury Montclair
Mercury Montego
Mercury Monterey
Mercury Topaz
Mercury Villager
Merkur Scorpio
MGA
Mitsubish Tredia
Mitsubishi Precis
Mitsubishi Sigma
Monteverdi
Monteverdi Sierra (Dodge Aspen)
Morris Minor
Moskvich
Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet
NSU
Oldsmobile Alero
Oldsmobile Bravada
Oldsmobile Cutlass Aerocoupe
Oldsmobile LSS
Oldsmobile Omega (FWD)
Oldsmobile Toronado Trofeo
Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser
Opel Rekord
Packard
Packardbaker
Panhard
Panther
Peugeot 304
Peugeot 604
Plymouth Cricket
Plymouth Gran Fury
Plymouth Volare
Pontiac 6000
Pontiac G3
Pontiac G5
Pontiac Grand Am (RWD)
Pontiac Grand Prix Aerocoupe
Pontiac Phoenix
Pontiac Straight-8
Pontiac Tempest (Early)
Pontiac Ventura
Pre-1980 GM G-Body
Pre-1980 Subaru
Reliant Scimitar (This may very well be the only one of these never sold in NA)
Renault 12
Renault 15
Renault 17
Renault 21
Renault Caravelle
Renault Sportwagon
Riley
Saturn Aura
Saturn Ion Redline
Saturn L-Series
Saturn Relay
Saturn Vue
Simca Aronde
Skoda (Any)
SsangYong
Standard Vanguard
Standard Vignale
Standard Eight/Twelve/Fourteen
Standard Ensign
Subaru Justy
Subaru Tribeca
Suzuki Forenza
Suzuki Grand Vitara
Suzuki Kizashi
Suzuki Vitara
Suzuki XL-7
Toyota Camry Wagon
Toyota Crown
Toyota Stout
Toyota Tiara
TVR Tasmin 280i
Vauxhall Victor
Volkswagen Dasher
Volkswagen Phaeton
Volkswagen Thing
Wolseley (the car, not the Mini conversion)

There it is, do it to it.

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
eric@24hoursoflemons.com

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There hasn't been a Lincoln LS yet?

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What, no Datsun F10 or 310 on that list?

I think you’ll wait a bit for a Maser Khamsin. I’ve a yen for one and was surprised to get outbid to the tune of 50k last time I went looking and that was summer 2020…

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Guildenstern wrote:

There hasn't been a Lincoln LS yet?

Coming soon....

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Type44 wrote:

What, no Datsun F10 or 310 on that list?

I think you’ll wait a bit for a Maser Khamsin. I’ve a yen for one and was surprised to get outbid to the tune of 50k last time I went looking and that was summer 2020…

F-10 is there. We almost had one. Cheap, cheap too. It was listed for a few months at a time before it ever sold.

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B-Body Magnum with Magnum Wagon part grafted on.

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I have been close to enabling about 20 things on this list and we lose out on it at the last minute or seller changes mind or other person I am trying to enable changes mind, etc. I am always looking.
Plus, I have a handful more on my list that aren't on this list.

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Given the creativity and self-abuse among the Lemons community, I am surprised many of those have not yet been in Lemons.

Eric made me buy the Merkur Scorpio, so there's that...

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Wendell34 wrote:

I have been close to enabling about 20 things on this list and we lose out on it at the last minute or seller changes mind or other person I am trying to enable changes mind, etc. I am always looking.
Plus, I have a handful more on my list that aren't on this list.

Yeah, this is by no means a complete list. For example:

* I'm now realizing there are a ton of K-Car models we've never had (Dodge 400/600/Aries, Plymouth Caravelle, Proper-K-Car Chrysler LeBaron).

* There are tons of 1950-1972 models we could list that we figure are likely priced way out of Lemons' territory for now. That said, I don't think we'd bat an eye at a basketcase '57 Chevy or '68 Charger. Especially if it had a Honda K24 in it.

* Some of the exotic stuff like the Maseratis or a Ferraris would have to be absolutely Lost Cause territory and found in a storage facility—exactly the way the Aston Martin was found, FYI. Even then, there's probably a better financial case to flip them for parts cars so we would be happy to get a Dodge Avenger wrapped in crusty Khamsin body panels.

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
eric@24hoursoflemons.com

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Has there already been a maserati biturbo? Those are cheap.

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rozap_ wrote:

Has there already been a maserati biturbo? Those are cheap.

Yes, several dating back to the Altamont.days  I wouldn't deem any of them as successful however.

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Wendell34 wrote:
Guildenstern wrote:

There hasn't been a Lincoln LS yet?

Coming soon....


You too? 

Hoping to enter our 'Legacy Chumpcar' later this year.

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therood wrote:
Wendell34 wrote:

I have been close to enabling about 20 things on this list and we lose out on it at the last minute or seller changes mind or other person I am trying to enable changes mind, etc. I am always looking.
Plus, I have a handful more on my list that aren't on this list.

Yeah, this is by no means a complete list. For example:

* I'm now realizing there are a ton of K-Car models we've never had (Dodge 400/600/Aries, Plymouth Caravelle,

You know the Caravelle would have to be done in a Carvel Ice Cream/Fudgie the whale theme.

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therood wrote:

we would be happy to get a Dodge Avenger wrapped in crusty Khamsin body panels.

So Eric, what's the official rule on re-skinning/body-swap type modifications?  I was under the impression that was no longer an option (thank you Speed-U-Cop) because non-OEM crush zones.  What's allowed, and what ain't?

Darren

Bad Mojo Racing
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therood wrote:
Wendell34 wrote:

I have been close to enabling about 20 things on this list and we lose out on it at the last minute or seller changes mind or other person I am trying to enable changes mind, etc. I am always looking.
Plus, I have a handful more on my list that aren't on this list.

Yeah, this is by no means a complete list. For example:

* I'm now realizing there are a ton of K-Car models we've never had (Dodge 400/600/Aries, Plymouth Caravelle, Proper-K-Car Chrysler LeBaron).

* There are tons of 1950-1972 models we could list that we figure are likely priced way out of Lemons' territory for now. That said, I don't think we'd bat an eye at a basketcase '57 Chevy or '68 Charger. Especially if it had a Honda K24 in it.

* Some of the exotic stuff like the Maseratis or a Ferraris would have to be absolutely Lost Cause territory and found in a storage facility—exactly the way the Aston Martin was found, FYI. Even then, there's probably a better financial case to flip them for parts cars so we would be happy to get a Dodge Avenger wrapped in crusty Khamsin body panels.

CIMARRON!
t has been on my list since the very first day I made a list. I wonder how many of those were on that Cash For Clunkers list that showed up the other day. I should look.
That list might be interesting to cross-reference for cars that are on want lists, cars that have never run Lemons, cars that have done well in Lemons, etc.
Even though one has been attempted, I don't think the one or three or zero laps it finished should count against a Chrysler/Maserati TC.
I see Malibu Maxxs all the time. Way more than you would think in CA. Those could be made fast after the first, awful attempt. I like the idea of running a Maxx in a race with another team in a Kaliber and another team with an E36ti and another with 78 Olds Cutlass Salon all painted the same for the weird rear styling team.
I would also like to run with all of the teams that have already brought things from my original list...Frogface Valiant, 80s Imperial, Mirada, etc. I need to work on that.

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Alferrari Fistillini wrote:
therood wrote:

we would be happy to get a Dodge Avenger wrapped in crusty Khamsin body panels.

So Eric, what's the official rule on re-skinning/body-swap type modifications?  I was under the impression that was no longer an option (thank you Speed-U-Cop) because non-OEM crush zones.  What's allowed, and what ain't?

Darren

Well, that's a good question and it makes sense you'd be the one asking it. It's really case-by-case and Pagel or Jay retains the final say, but the general idea is that you don't cut away original unibody. Reskinning with fender sheet metal probably doesn't make huge changes to the crumplezones, in general. You might be able to swap front and rear clips (not just bumper cover). Subframe swapping seems generally fine as long as you're putting in a subframe.

Long story short: If you're gonna swap body panels, at least shoot a note to Pagel and Jay outlining what you plan to do.

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
eric@24hoursoflemons.com

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Missing one you and I talked about recently. Will make it even sweeter when I find one and bring it.

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hmm, some cars on that list are on my list as well big_smile

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Guildenstern wrote:

There hasn't been a Lincoln LS yet?

Fun story - we were on our way home from Gingerman in 2015 - the year the guys first ran the Honda Del Sol that eventually became the Calvin and Hobbes Wagon and eventually the Oreo Speedwagon. We were so impressed by their first outing that we started searching Craigslist on our way home. There was a manual Lincoln LS in Columbus for $600 but it was gone when we got home. We ended up with our Mark VIII, but it was the almost-could-have-had-it LS that turned us on to the Lincoln theme.

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I bought a manual LS but I only got it for the drivetrain so once I pulled out what I needed I dumped the rest.  Interestingly at one time Phil said he wanted to see an LS.  When I told him I had one and what class would he put it in, he told me B because it was the Duratec V6 and manual.  This thing was super clapped out, would require spending some money to make it safe to be on a track and it would have been futile to run it in B so I continued on with the original plan and pulled the drivetrain to go into another car.  If someone does get one, it's a big heavy car that should be in C.  I can maybe see B if it was a V8.

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cheseroo wrote:

I bought a manual LS but I only got it for the drivetrain so once I pulled out what I needed I dumped the rest.  Interestingly at one time Phil said he wanted to see an LS.  When I told him I had one and what class would he put it in, he told me B because it was the Duratec V6 and manual.  This thing was super clapped out, would require spending some money to make it safe to be on a track and it would have been futile to run it in B so I continued on with the original plan and pulled the drivetrain to go into another car.  If someone does get one, it's a big heavy car that should be in C.  I can maybe see B if it was a V8.

The chassis seems like it's ok, but yeah: They're heavy and the V8 is automatic-only like the S-Type and Thunderbird. Ed White's '03 Thunderbird is plenty quick, but the transmission is prone to overheating. They kind of have to drive it to the transmission's temp gauge.

In theory, the Duratec/5-Speed combination would be pretty solid, but I think I'd put it in C unless someone had totally overbuilt it.

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I see the Chevy Spectrum on the list.  Has the Chevy Sprint ever been done?  How about Chevy Nova circa '86-'88, especially the twin cam?

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CIMARRON!
t has been on my list since the very first day I made a list. I wonder how many of those were on that Cash For Clunkers list that showed up the other day. I should look.


I thought Florida Man did one??

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I have an irrational love for the Murano Cross Cabriolet, and I want one in that weird funky pink-ish purple color.

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therood wrote:
cheseroo wrote:

I bought a manual LS but I only got it for the drivetrain so once I pulled out what I needed I dumped the rest.  Interestingly at one time Phil said he wanted to see an LS.  When I told him I had one and what class would he put it in, he told me B because it was the Duratec V6 and manual.  This thing was super clapped out, would require spending some money to make it safe to be on a track and it would have been futile to run it in B so I continued on with the original plan and pulled the drivetrain to go into another car.  If someone does get one, it's a big heavy car that should be in C.  I can maybe see B if it was a V8.

The chassis seems like it's ok, but yeah: They're heavy and the V8 is automatic-only like the S-Type and Thunderbird. Ed White's '03 Thunderbird is plenty quick, but the transmission is prone to overheating. They kind of have to drive it to the transmission's temp gauge.

In theory, the Duratec/5-Speed combination would be pretty solid, but I think I'd put it in C unless someone had totally overbuilt it.


I'll be happy to run in 'B'.  But if Tech decides we're 'A' I am not going to cry.  I am looking forward to my first Lemons weekend. 

We've been running the car since 2016 in Chump & LD... only one weekend without a mechanical failure so far.  I'm expecting some time behind the wall as always so our results won't be special whatever class they dump us in.