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I shared my opinion, and you shard yours on the subject.  We can agree to disagree.  FWIW, I'll take the kids over censorship of a theme because of some PC crap that offends one group or the other.

OMGuar wrote:

Mulry wrote:

FWIW, the main criteria that is considered when a team applies for a variance on the white-on-black/black-on-white numbering rule is if the number will be highly visible to the corner workers on track. We used white on cash-money-green in our first race and Jay was fine with that after some initial dickering over colors and placement.

Actually If what was written was read,, you'll note the car is black and thus the only option was white numbers which was exactly what I said I would do as per the rules..
The only question was who assigned the numbers and what limits  were there with regard other signage. (actully much of that was a blatant attempt at humor)..

Hard to give a good specific ruling on what is acceptable, but common sense should work.  As long as the cars number is clear and distinguishable in 3 spots on the car and the other signs you put on the car can not be mistaken for the number or confuse the corner workers it will be ok.

So say your number is 12 inches and white and all your other text is 6 inches and red, no problem, but if your number is 12 inches and white and your other signage is 11" and white and sometimes consist of numbers that are not your racing number, probably not ok.

No one will be able to tell you if it is really fine until its on the car, but like I said common sense should make it pretty clear what is within the rules and what isn't

OMGuar wrote:

I'd like to take a minute to  see if it's possible to have you reconsider your position regarding Children attending racing events..
Please take a long view of this..
  If what we do is going to continue new people have to join us..
WE are already restrictive in that only gear heads would think this was fun.. a lot of people would rather play golf or go to a baseball game..
Then we demand that since the chance of success is so difficult the people who do come have a good dense of humor. They have to be serious enough to do things well with regard to safety yet not so wacko that they can't be trusted at racing speeds..  that weeds the field even further.
IF we further  demand that all racers either be too young to have children or batcherlors who don't like children the potential field gets too small. PLus  not all adults like vulgarity or crudeness..
One final point.. the best way to create new interest is with children of parents who are brought to the event see enjoyment we get from it. They tell other kids and maybe the parents of those kids come race with us.. Worse case we have a whole ne generation to pass on the enjoyment we all feel..
  IN case you believe that to be to self sacraficing for your taste, think of it in greedy terms.
  Limiting those who attend to people who believe exactly as you do would make racing at this level too expensive.  It's far better to share the costs with more than less.   
Sermon over 

Not just gear heads think this is fun.  I wouldn't condsider myself a gear head now, maybe aspiring gearhead, and I certainly wasn't when we started.  We loved cars and hanging out with great people and had no mechanics skills at all.  Bought a running car, busted the car, tried to fix it, couldn't, and just enjoyed the race.  We had a blast and only made 20 laps the first time.  We're learning a ton with each event.  Just did an engine rebuild for the first time this last week.  It's a wierd demographic for sure, serious racers who don't take themselves seriously, but there is enough growth that in 2 years, the amount of races has more than doubled.  And I really doubt if Jay and crew are worried about "growing the brand" so to say.  People who love it are going to find it.

Kids come anyways, tons of 'em.  I don't see many people restricting their children from R rated movies.  Most kids know every swear word by the time they're 8 because of Dad yelling it at whatever team just fumbled the ball on "Holy Sunday" (I did).  It's how parents teach and explain the words/images that make the difference.  Yes, some parents want to sheild their children until they're 38 but most don't.  I haven't seen that much outrageously blatent sexual/explicit content from racers, no more than your average major league sport event or TBS movie.  Yes, there is the odd dildo on the bumper, but everything is done in good fun and, like has been said before, Jay and crew will censor your shizzle if they feel it crosses a line.  Good rule of thumb:  If you don't want your kid seeing it, don't put it on the car.  There are plenty of tame but fantastic themes out there (talk to Eyesore) so have fun with it.  Yippee Kay Yay, Mr. Falcon.

Wait....you think we take this seriously???  There was a drunken BBQ where Jay and Nic were arguing about whose K body could go faster.  When the beer ran out, they challenged each other to see who could bring home a keg first, and thus Lemons was born.

Mulry wrote:

BlackSheep1 wrote:

Edit:  also, seems like I remember someone saying you couldn't have leading zeros in you car number.  For example:  If you had a James Bond theme, you couldn't do 007, only 7.  Can't seem to find anything on this in the rules.  Did I dream this up?

I'm pretty sure that you're right about that. I think it has something to do with the fact that the timing/scoring software can't handle leading zeroes. Same thing with 4-digit numbers. Might also not be Y2K compatible

May I take it then that you are using the automated system most racing organizations do?  (a sendor in the car activates a sensor on the track and everything regarding lap times etc. is automatically recorded? I wonder how NASCAR does it  since I believe most software is common.
Then the only need for numbers is to allow the track to communicate with the driver.. Car 17 is black flagged,  car 21 is ignoring the blue flag . and car 97 is leaking oil.. (sort of communication)

OMGuar wrote:

Then the only need for numbers is to allow the track to communicate with the driver.. Car 17 is black flagged,  car 21 is ignoring the blue flag . and car 97 is leaking oil.. (sort of communication)

Not exactly. Transponders can fail. In that case, you may have your laps manually added to the timing software. I'm not sure how every track handles it, but I know that in the gulf region if it's only one or two cars, they won't always pull the car off the track for a failed transponder, and will try to make sure that all the laps are recorded.
  IT's nice if a event could do that,  tracks I've been at lately will simply not time/count the laps of someone who's transponder isn't working and normally black flag them. Personally I would like to run without a transponder since the chance of a "win" is virturally non-existant. 

Hoonatic Racing wrote:

Lemons is starting to get a lot of coverage: CNN @ BFE, ATR @ MSR, SEMA, and Discovery Canada

It would suck if they had to blur your whole car, or worse, some higher-up cut the whole segment.

This is probably the best reason to use some plain old common sense. I'm less concerned about offending one or two people than I am about doing something that could have a negative impact on the series.